Calm yourself Francis. Look in just about any Bible and you will see Luke 16:19-31 (rich man and Lazarus) with the heading of 'The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus.' Most evangelical scholars (not liberal) agree on this, and yes, if that is true, Jesus put words into Abraham's mouth. You are right, if this is a parable, it is unique, and its status as a parable is hotly debated.
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I am game, what do you want to talk about?
I am not interested in Scholars for the same say that Jude refers to the same fire reserved for eternal judgement as the Scholars say that the fire mentioned in Jude was when God (satan) burned the place to the ground. Two views, and what do I have to do with scholars or someone Else's view?
Jesus did not misquote Abraham......... Misquoting folks is wrong. It is not a parable but an account of a real event.....................It's like no other parable where Jesus never gave a name or place.
I do agree that Jesus was in fact refering to the Valley of the Sons of Hinnom. Jesus started off saying Fear not man who can kill the body, but Fear God how is able to kill the body and soul in the Valley of Hinnom.
There is no other reference to the the Valley of the sons of Hinnom but buy Jesus and James. Gehanna is just the Greek Word for Valley of Hinnom. It was a known practice to throw people (Alive) into a fire they kept burning and it was known they sacrificed children alive into that fire for the God Molach. (However you spell that gods name)
There is no reference to the Valley of Hinnom that connects it to the Lake of fire, or even Hades (Sheol-Hebrew)
I am not trying to be a @## Hole............ but lets lay aside what other (Scholars) said and lets be led by the Holy spirit. I could care less what everyone else says.
I also ask you to understand there are some here that accept the torment of Hades (Sheol-Hebrew) but do not accept the concept of eternal punishent. In other words, by not accepting Jesus, a persons spirit goes straight to Sheol (Greek Hades) and the are in fire and torment until the 2nd death.
Duringing the 2nd death some believe that death and hell are cast into the Lake of Fire and somehow burnt up. This ends the torment of those in Hades....... (Sheol).
So, we have doctrines of punishment, but we also have ZERO hell doctrines present in this thread. If your able to compensate for these different beliefs and understand what is presented then I will take the time to respond to you. It is to many belief's and doctrines given, unlike a website belief, which is only one, and solid (Being in a forum setting) to accommodate just your belief.
If you can come to terms with that, then I will continue to acknowledge you.
Mind you, I take the position of Jesus stating there is Eternal punishment............... don't bring up what others say, for there are still others that say different........................ What has God revealed to you is what I am interested in.
also, please ignore all the scripture in the OT about being destoryed, it is just as easy to prove they mean "ON LAND" as God judges an removes the wicked from harming his anointed and chosen.
Stick to the relevant scripture about the Body, soul , spirit being destroyed if that is even the case.
I don't intend to come off strong, but Jesus did not misquote Abraham, so if you believe that and Jesus holds his integrity, then lets continue.......
Blessings.........