Deathbed Con Get U In?

As for the crook on the cross, was that just one of those spurious things or was it recorded to teach us a profound truth?
Just my random thoughts.

Both criminals were there to demonstrate a profound truth. (my old father confessor spoke on this at length).
Both criminals were guilty of many crimes and were justly condemned by the authorities for their acts.
The diffference between the two was their ability or lack thereof to recognize personal guilt and innocence in others.

One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."

Those who recognize their guilt are forgiven, those who will not are not forgiven.
 
is it a confession or a con,
can a deathbed confession of faith in Christ get you into heaven.
example: man on cross beside Jesus got in.
But does your 88 year old mother who lived a full sinful life
really believe in Jesus as she takes in her last weeks on earth,
or are U just hopeful your witness really got the truth out of her, or into her?
Can U change your heart that quickly,
and/or will God honour that?
Absolutely.

Those "aha" moments come in an instant.

That moment in which one realizes that it is not any righteousness of their own that saves, but the righteousness of Christ only.

Romans 5:18 KJV
(18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.​


If one is relying on their righteousness to save them, they are relying on the wrong person.
 
Both criminals were there to demonstrate a profound truth. (my old father confessor spoke on this at length).
Both criminals were guilty of many crimes and were justly condemned by the authorities for their acts.
The diffference between the two was their ability or lack thereof to recognize personal guilt and innocence in others.

One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."

Those who recognize their guilt are forgiven, those who will not are not forgiven.

Glomung. Do you think recognizing your sin is the 1st step to salvation or is it the completeness there of?

I am of the opinion that after one is convicted of, or recognizes their sin they must then turn to Christ.
 
Glomung. Do you think recognizing your sin is the 1st step to salvation or is it the completeness there of?

I am of the opinion that after one is convicted of, or recognizes their sin they must then turn to Christ.
Indeed. You are absolutely correct Major, in fact that is exactly what the second crook did.
 
it is God that gives the increase. we are sent to proclaim the good news. it is not up to us to speculate. Some questions should never be entertained in our thought life. we walk by faith. if today God gives you perfect understanding, there will be no need of faith. if an opportunity arises to minister to even Hitler on his death bed, do so without doubtful thoughts. for the gospel is the power of God unto salvation through the foolishness of preaching.
 
is it a confession or a con,
can a deathbed confession of faith in Christ get you into heaven.
example: man on cross beside Jesus got in.
But does your 88 year old mother who lived a full sinful life
really believe in Jesus as she takes in her last weeks on earth,
or are U just hopeful your witness really got the truth out of her, or into her?
Can U change your heart that quickly,
and/or will God honour that?

There was a great work of God done in the heart of the repentant thief .

If you read all the gospels you will find at the beginning BOTH thieves mocked Christ at the beginning .
But as time passed and things were said and done it provoked THOUGHT to start with in one thief .
Who contrasted his life with the life of Christ . His end with the end of Christ.
He thought about his past . Not good. Criminal
He thought about his present . Not good . Criminal judged and condemned to be crucified .
He thought about what little future he had . Not good. He was soon to die .
The thought about his coming and soon death. was not good .He was not ready to die .
Then what really troubled him was "it is appointed unto man once to die then cometh the judgment " He was going to face the Creator and his creator . Those thoughts humbled him and he clearly sought God for mercy .
So when the other thief began to mock the Lord again .He turned his head at least and rebuked him and said "do you not fear God?"
"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom"
He then showed he had judged himself and spoke the truth about himself as he also did about his 'accomplice'(?)
and found himself guilty and justly so and he also judged the other thief and spoke the truth also about him.
He then judged and justified Christ and found him innocent and thus spoke the truth about Christ.
No man really speaks the truth about himself or God or of Jesus until they come to the cross as it were .
For "if we would judge ourselves we would not be judged " Those who speak not the truth about themselves will not speak the truth about God or Jesus Christ either . For they cannot make righteous judgement about either until they see or understand the cross in some measure .
In Gods condemnation of sin in the flesh . Gods judgment on sin and Gods refusal to compromise with sin in any matter whatsoever .
The cross is where we see or can the awfulness of sin and what it can and does do .
The cross is where we see Gods implacable opposition to sin the world the flesh and the devil.
The cross is where we can see in some small measure the depths hights and breadth of sin . and justly and righteously Gods judgement and condemnation of it .
But that thief; though he spoke the truth about himself the other and of Christ . Was still a condemned sinner dying .
The change came about when he turned his head and face to Jesus and put his faith in Him and said "Lord remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom"

The man clearly was mad ?

For here was a condemned criminal hanging and crucified on a cross talking to another man in a worse state than himself . Albeit innocent .
For behold the man .
He was in physical agony .
All his bones "were out of joint " he did not have a few artistic blood stripes on his back but was so badly wipped it looked like " a ploughed field" His beard had been plucked out . and his face was so badly marred "he was not recognisable as a man" Not only was a cruel crown of thorns pressed down on his head ,But he was nailed to the cross by his hands and feet .
He was in mental agony .
"My God ,my God why hast though forsaken me?" and albeit that is the first line of a prophetic Psalm so that even in his agony he was testifying of the truth This is that which was spoken of by the prophets .
Nevertheless his agonising cry was of a man whos mind could not understand or plumb the depths of Gods .
"For it pleased God to bruise Him"
No wonder in the garden he prayed that it be Gods will that be done not His for the will of a man could not ; or be able to endure the unendurable .
He was in spiritual agony .
For "he who knew no sin became sin ............." The Holy ,Pure and Perfect one; incoruptable and undefiled was to bear in His perfect body the sin of the world . That the worst agony of it all .
"............That we through Him might become the righteousness of God."

Never the less that thief saw no Turin shroud . But a man whos image was not recognisable as a man.
But he saw something else that no graven image can or would or even should convey . He saw the image of God ,The Son of God .
He saw more . He saw a King who was going to inherit a kingdom and one who would concquer death .
Did all come in a blinding flash? No.
It started with thoughts of repentance and of God and as his thoughts became more and more in conformity to Gods thinking .So he was led deep in his heart from darkness to light .
To what end ? That he might confess the truth about himself .Yes but only in passing as it were .But primarily about Christ and in doing so bore witness both as to the Lord himself as also to that unseen work of God in a mans heart .When he beholds the truth in action..

His faith was rewarded and his sins justly forgiven . It should be noted also that when the Lord turned TOWARDS the repentant thief He turned away from the other .

in Christ

gerald
 
it is God that gives the increase. we are sent to proclaim the good news. it is not up to us to speculate. Some questions should never be entertained in our thought life. we walk by faith. if today God gives you perfect understanding, there will be no need of faith. if an opportunity arises to minister to even Hitler on his death bed, do so without doubtful thoughts. for the gospel is the power of God unto salvation through the foolishness of preaching.

People who sell themselves to do evil at some point pass a line from which there is no return or " place of repentance"

We should not then harbour any thinking that on his deathbed he could have been saved .

In Christ

gerald
 
Glomung. Do you think recognizing your sin is the 1st step to salvation or is it the completeness there of?

I am of the opinion that after one is convicted of, or recognizes their sin they must then turn to Christ.

As you are alluding to, salvation is through Christ alone, "there is no other name etc..."
The person must become aware of their sin and turn to the only one who can grant salvation, and that is Jesus Christ.
 
IMNSHO, deathbed confessions are like jackalopes, purple cows, and unicorns.
Everybody talks about them but nobody has ever seen one.
 
is it a confession or a con,
can a deathbed confession of faith in Christ get you into heaven.
example: man on cross beside Jesus got in.
But does your 88 year old mother who lived a full sinful life
really believe in Jesus as she takes in her last weeks on earth,
or are U just hopeful your witness really got the truth out of her, or into her?
Can U change your heart that quickly,
and/or will God honour that?
Most of us are procrastinators. God knows this. God is not supposed to give the wicked 70 years...meaning 'most' old are not wicked / beyond hope / their sin has not reached full measure Gen 15:16.

I fully believe in deathbed conversions. All the procrastinators have nothing else to think about but the bed they laying on and God waiting / not waiting for them.
 
People who sell themselves to do evil at some point pass a line from which there is no return or " place of repentance"

We should not then harbour any thinking that on his deathbed he could have been saved .

In Christ

gerald
Actually there was no death bed for Hitler. As I understand it he added a 9mm air conditioning duct to his head.... messy but decisive.
 
is it a confession or a con,
can a deathbed confession of faith in Christ get you into heaven.
example: man on cross beside Jesus got in.
But does your 88 year old mother who lived a full sinful life
really believe in Jesus as she takes in her last weeks on earth,
or are U just hopeful your witness really got the truth out of her, or into her?
Can U change your heart that quickly,
and/or will God honour that?

It also depends on what a person means or is taught what a confession is and what the Bible teaches what a confession is .
For with the first many are deceived . With the second a true conversion takes place .

in Christ
gerald
 
Actually there was no death bed for Hitler. As I understand it he added a 9mm air conditioning duct to his head.... messy but decisive.

I was simply answering to the false hope given to some and a warning to others.

In Christ
gerald
 
Romans 10:13 says: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

There is no grey area there. The problem (as I see it) are those who wait until the last minute to accept Jesus. I have heard folks say "I'll take care of the God thing before I die." We have no certain promise of our next breath. Those fortunate enough to have a "death bed" exit from this world and time to accept Jesus are "lucky." Those lives that are taken in an instant (I assume) have no time to call upon the name of Jesus.
 
Romans 10:13 says: For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

There is no grey area there. The problem (as I see it) are those who wait until the last minute to accept Jesus. I have heard folks say "I'll take care of the God thing before I die." We have no certain promise of our next breath. Those fortunate enough to have a "death bed" exit from this world and time to accept Jesus are "lucky." Those lives that are taken in an instant (I assume) have no time to call upon the name of Jesus.
There was a time when I said effectively the same thing. Fortunately for me, He took care of me before that last breath. Mighty glad He did too.
Look at all the precious times of blessings we can have in this life if we are saved ahead of that 'last breath' time:)
 
There was a time when I said effectively the same thing. Fortunately for me, He took care of me before that last breath. Mighty glad He did too.
Look at all the precious times of blessings we can have in this life if we are saved ahead of that 'last breath' time:)

AMEN brother!
 
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