Jesus Living In Me?

[drequeen]

Ok, not sure what kind of can of worms I'm going to open here. I'll start at the beginning. I got saved about 5 months ago, last November the 18th. My testimony is posted in the testimonial section.
About a month back I bought a book from Charles Stanley called "Discovering Your Identity". I have never liked reading books but funny how things change, right? I have read very little of the book so far.
Fast forward to March 27th of last month and I was listening to a sermon from Charles Stanley entitled "The Key to the Christian Life". I'm not necessarily endorsing Charles Stanley or anything, he's one of the preachers I listen to during a 10-hour day at work.
Let me just say, in my opinion, it's one of the best sermons I have ever heard. Well researched, well presented, well structured, well sourced, etc. I'm not saying a person has to agree with it, but I think many would agree that it's a well structured sermon.
I won't get too much into it because this is already looking like it's going to be a long post. The message was simple; Christ lives in us and through us. I will definitely not be able to explain it as well as Stanley can, so if you want to know what I'm referring to please pull up the video on YouTube and see for yourself. Not that you have to agree, but just to see what I'm referring to.
In a nutshell, this is what I'm getting to. It seems that many Christians believe that Jesus's role is limited simply to be a Mediator between us and God. The Holy Spirit comes into our heart at salvation, and He acts as a Helper. But I believe that Jesus's role is much more than to simply be a Mediator. I believe, as scriptures seem to indicate, He comes into our heart through the Holy Spirit and he lives our life in and through us:
Romans 8:10 "And IF CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; But the Spirit is life because of righteousness".
Galatians 1:15-16 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, TO REVEAL HIS SON IN ME, that I might preach him among the heathen. Immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood".
Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; yet not I, BUT CHRIST LIVETH IN ME".
Galatians 4:19 "My little children, of whom I travel in birth again UNTIL CHRIST BE FORMED IN YOU".
Colossians 1:27 "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory".

I didn't use UPPERCASE in those verses to try to prove a point, I don't know how to use different colors or anything like that. I'm not preaching here, I'm really trying to engender some information.

To finish the story, after hearing the sermon at work, I couldn't wait to get home so I could humbly get on my knees and pray about this. After pouring my heart out and submitting myself completely to the Lord, He gave me a taste, a small taste of what I was hearing from that sermon. Jesus, one part of the God head that is indeed our mediator between us and God, does indeed come to live in and through our lives. He is indeed sitting at God's right hand, but He also comes to live in the lives of his children. I'm going to have to end it there because of obligations, but I believe I posted more or less what I wanted to post. I'd love to hear any thoughts or opinions, disagreements, any thoughts at all. I probably didn't present my question very well, and probably didn't source it nearly enough. God bless.

Last thing, I believe in the Trinity, but I don't think we're talking semantics here. Each member has a distinctive role; also, after some thought, it could be that Christ comes to live in us NOT at salvation, but at a future date (as possibly in Gal 4:19).

I think there's at least 2 times we need to fully submit ourselves to the Savior; first in confession and repentance; the second some time later on when we realize that living the Christian life is harder than we thought (because of our fleshly nature). We ask God to make known to us anything holding us back from fully surrendering to Him. That's when God can really use us. Maybe that's when Jesus starts to work in and through us. Again I apologize for probably not making myself clear and for most likely rambling a little (or a lot).

 

[drequeen]

I guess I should add that this isn't something that I've recently discovered; Dad preached this his whole ministry. It just never had any application in my life. And the reason I'm asking is because the 2 people I have asked about this disagree (which is fine with me of course, although I must say I'm a little surprised). They feel that Jesus is our Mediator only, which seems to contradict scripture. Ok, I'll knock it off and let you guys get back to your Sunday

 

[Big Moose]

If the Holy Spirit is leading you in your walk with God, then most assuredly Jesus is seen by others as living through you. As a Christian, we will be Christ-like by definition, and we will realize that He is leading us as His choices are different from our selfish choices.

 

[bobinfaith]

Ok, not sure what kind of can of worms I'm going to open here. I'll start at the beginning. I got saved about 5 months ago, last November the 18th. My testimony is posted in the testimonial section.
About a month back I bought a book from Charles Stanley called "Discovering Your Identity". I have never liked reading books but funny how things change, right? I have read very little of the book so far.
Fast forward to March 27th of last month and I was listening to a sermon from Charles Stanley entitled "The Key to the Christian Life". I'm not necessarily endorsing Charles Stanley or anything, he's one of the preachers I listen to during a 10-hour day at work.
Let me just say, in my opinion, it's one of the best sermons I have ever heard. Well researched, well presented, well structured, well sourced, etc. I'm not saying a person has to agree with it, but I think many would agree that it's a well structured sermon.
I won't get too much into it because this is already looking like it's going to be a long post. The message was simple; Christ lives in us and through us. I will definitely not be able to explain it as well as Stanley can, so if you want to know what I'm referring to please pull up the video on YouTube and see for yourself. Not that you have to agree, but just to see what I'm referring to.
In a nutshell, this is what I'm getting to. It seems that many Christians believe that Jesus's role is limited simply to be a Mediator between us and God. The Holy Spirit comes into our heart at salvation, and He acts as a Helper. But I believe that Jesus's role is much more than to simply be a Mediator. I believe, as scriptures seem to indicate, He comes into our heart through the Holy Spirit and he lives our life in and through us:
Romans 8:10 "And IF CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; But the Spirit is life because of righteousness".
Galatians 1:15-16 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, TO REVEAL HIS SON IN ME, that I might preach him among the heathen. Immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood".
Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; yet not I, BUT CHRIST LIVETH IN ME".
Galatians 4:19 "My little children, of whom I travel in birth again UNTIL CHRIST BE FORMED IN YOU".
Colossians 1:27 "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory".

I didn't use UPPERCASE in those verses to try to prove a point, I don't know how to use different colors or anything like that. I'm not preaching here, I'm really trying to engender some information.

To finish the story, after hearing the sermon at work, I couldn't wait to get home so I could humbly get on my knees and pray about this. After pouring my heart out and submitting myself completely to the Lord, He gave me a taste, a small taste of what I was hearing from that sermon. Jesus, one part of the God head that is indeed our mediator between us and God, does indeed come to live in and through our lives. He is indeed sitting at God's right hand, but He also comes to live in the lives of his children. I'm going to have to end it there because of obligations, but I believe I posted more or less what I wanted to post. I'd love to hear any thoughts or opinions, disagreements, any thoughts at all. I probably didn't present my question very well, and probably didn't source it nearly enough. God bless.

Last thing, I believe in the Trinity, but I don't think we're talking semantics here. Each member has a distinctive role; also, after some thought, it could be that Christ comes to live in us NOT at salvation, but at a future date (as possibly in Gal 4:19).

I think there's at least 2 times we need to fully submit ourselves to the Savior; first in confession and repentance; the second some time later on when we realize that living the Christian life is harder than we thought (because of our fleshly nature). We ask God to make known to us anything holding us back from fully surrendering to Him. That's when God can really use us. Maybe that's when Jesus starts to work in and through us. Again I apologize for probably not making myself clear and for most likely rambling a little (or a lot).

Hello drequeen;

I enjoyed reading your testimony, Jesus Living In Me?

Jesus being mediator is a good start in understanding the Trinity. Jesus as my mediator is unlimited. He never gives up and carries me through so much in my life on that hard knocks list. For that I'm very grateful.

I'm also faced with disagreements regarding the teaching and Scriptures.

In John 17:20-23, 20 “I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, 23 I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me. - ESV

The Bible is spot on here, drequeen, followed by the application. If there is a Scriptural difference between you and another person, keep it between the both of you, or them. And at the end of the day behind closed doors, it's always between God and us. He is our Audience and points us in areas that we still need to learn, where we have failed and succeeded in our daily walk with Jesus.

For all of us, this will sustain Jesus Living In Me.

God bless you, drequeen, and thank you for sharing.

Bob

 

[forgiven61]

I guess I should add that this isn't something that I've recently discovered; Dad preached this his whole ministry. It just never had any application in my life. And the reason I'm asking is because the 2 people I have asked about this disagree (which is fine with me of course, although I must say I'm a little surprised). They feel that Jesus is our Mediator only, which seems to contradict scripture. Ok, I'll knock it off and let you guys get back to your Sunday

we have resurrection power living inside us .jesus left us his spirit in acts it say you shall receive power.

Acts 1:8
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

romans 8: 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

we have as much Jesus in us as we want to allow . the sky is the limit .



Ephesians 3:20
Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the "power that worketh in us,"

​

 

[LearningToLetGo]

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28 ESV)

I read this a  unity with Christ. in other words we become one with Christ and with each other.

 

[drequeen]

There are a couple of books I've been reading; I finished "They Found the Secret" by V. Raymond Edmand. I'm now starting "Abide in Christ" by Andrew Murray. The first was terrific, I highly recommend it. I appreciate the replies; I wanted to see how others felt after receiving the response I did. forgiven61 posted

"we have as much Jesus in us as we want to allow . the sky is the limit" .​

I agree except for one thing; I believe He only imparts at one time what we can handle. It's different for each person. Somebody like me, who so easily gets distracted, He imparted just a taste when I surrendered everything to Him. The sky definitely is the limit; I'm looking forward to walking closer and closer to Him. God bless

 

[bobinfaith]

we have resurrection power living inside us .jesus left us his spirit in acts it say you shall receive power. acts 1:8 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. romans 8: 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. we have as much Jesus in us as we want to allow . the sky is the limit. Ephesians 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the "power that worketh in us,"

​

There are a couple of books I've been reading; I finished "They Found the Secret" by V. Raymond Edmand. I'm now starting "Abide in Christ" by Andrew Murray. The first was terrific, I highly recommend it. I appreciate the replies; I wanted to see how others felt after receiving the response I did. forgiven61 posted "we have as much Jesus in us as we want to allow . the sky is the limit" . I agree except for one thing; I believe He only imparts at one time what we can handle. It's different for each person. Somebody like me, who so easily gets distracted, He imparted just a taste when I surrendered everything to Him. The sky definitely is the limit; I'm looking forward to walking closer and closer to Him. God bless

Good morning;

These are uplifting posts and it's true God only gives us what we can handle in our capacity. It is a relief knowing the Lord is unlimited in anything He can do for us.

At times I ask God, "why don't you give me more? I can handle it." But those times I was sick but felt I still had to get everything done. So I handed it over to others who could step up in my absence.

God is unlimited but He also has unlimited reinforcements.

God bless this topic.

 

[forgiven61]

At times I ask God, "why don't you give me more?

the only thing more for me is more in the Church to hear the word preached . at the moment i got a plate full . a couple comes to our Church he had drinking spell they got into it he threw the phone at her .. so i got see each one at different times... any time you get the lost in Church hearing the word.. you can just about bet satan well find room cause havoc

 

[forgiven61]

There are a couple of books I've been reading; I finished "They Found the Secret" by V. Raymond Edmand. I'm now starting "Abide in Christ" by Andrew Murray. The first was terrific, I highly recommend it. I appreciate the replies; I wanted to see how others felt after receiving the response I did. forgiven61 posted

"we have as much Jesus in us as we want to allow . the sky is the limit" .​

I agree except for one thing; I believe He only imparts at one time what we can handle. It's different for each person. Somebody like me, who so easily gets distracted, He imparted just a taste when I surrendered everything to Him. The sky definitely is the limit; I'm looking forward to walking closer and closer to Him. God bless

But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:9-10

 

[crossnote]

In a nutshell, this is what I'm getting to. It seems that many Christians believe that Jesus's role is limited simply to be a Mediator between us and God. The Holy Spirit comes into our heart at salvation, and He acts as a Helper. But I believe that Jesus's role is much more than to simply be a Mediator. I believe, as scriptures seem to indicate, He comes into our heart through the Holy Spirit and he lives our life in and through us

I'm a tad confused (as usual). Are we speaking in terms of the Risen Lord, who is always at the right hand of Majesty interceding for us; or our abiding Lord, through the Holy Spirit doing His sanctifying work?

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.— Hebrews 7:25

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
— 1 Corinthians 15:10

 

[yaweh98]

Ok, not sure what kind of can of worms I'm going to open here. I'll start at the beginning. I got saved about 5 months ago, last November the 18th. My testimony is posted in the testimonial section.
About a month back I bought a book from Charles Stanley called "Discovering Your Identity". I have never liked reading books but funny how things change, right? I have read very little of the book so far.
Fast forward to March 27th of last month and I was listening to a sermon from Charles Stanley entitled "The Key to the Christian Life". I'm not necessarily endorsing Charles Stanley or anything, he's one of the preachers I listen to during a 10-hour day at work.
Let me just say, in my opinion, it's one of the best sermons I have ever heard. Well researched, well presented, well structured, well sourced, etc. I'm not saying a person has to agree with it, but I think many would agree that it's a well structured sermon.
I won't get too much into it because this is already looking like it's going to be a long post. The message was simple; Christ lives in us and through us. I will definitely not be able to explain it as well as Stanley can, so if you want to know what I'm referring to please pull up the video on YouTube and see for yourself. Not that you have to agree, but just to see what I'm referring to.
In a nutshell, this is what I'm getting to. It seems that many Christians believe that Jesus's role is limited simply to be a Mediator between us and God. The Holy Spirit comes into our heart at salvation, and He acts as a Helper. But I believe that Jesus's role is much more than to simply be a Mediator. I believe, as scriptures seem to indicate, He comes into our heart through the Holy Spirit and he lives our life in and through us:
Romans 8:10 "And IF CHRIST BE IN YOU, the body is dead because of sin; But the Spirit is life because of righteousness".
Galatians 1:15-16 "But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, TO REVEAL HIS SON IN ME, that I might preach him among the heathen. Immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood".
Galatians 2:20 "I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live; yet not I, BUT CHRIST LIVETH IN ME".
Galatians 4:19 "My little children, of whom I travel in birth again UNTIL CHRIST BE FORMED IN YOU".
Colossians 1:27 "To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; WHICH IS CHRIST IN YOU, the hope of glory".

I didn't use UPPERCASE in those verses to try to prove a point, I don't know how to use different colors or anything like that. I'm not preaching here, I'm really trying to engender some information.

To finish the story, after hearing the sermon at work, I couldn't wait to get home so I could humbly get on my knees and pray about this. After pouring my heart out and submitting myself completely to the Lord, He gave me a taste, a small taste of what I was hearing from that sermon. Jesus, one part of the God head that is indeed our mediator between us and God, does indeed come to live in and through our lives. He is indeed sitting at God's right hand, but He also comes to live in the lives of his children. I'm going to have to end it there because of obligations, but I believe I posted more or less what I wanted to post. I'd love to hear any thoughts or opinions, disagreements, any thoughts at all. I probably didn't present my question very well, and probably didn't source it nearly enough. God bless.

Last thing, I believe in the Trinity, but I don't think we're talking semantics here. Each member has a distinctive role; also, after some thought, it could be that Christ comes to live in us NOT at salvation, but at a future date (as possibly in Gal 4:19).

I think there's at least 2 times we need to fully submit ourselves to the Savior; first in confession and repentance; the second some time later on when we realize that living the Christian life is harder than we thought (because of our fleshly nature). We ask God to make known to us anything holding us back from fully surrendering to Him. That's when God can really use us. Maybe that's when Jesus starts to work in and through us. Again I apologize for probably not making myself clear and for most likely rambling a little (or a lot).

I agree that many Christians have a limited view of Christ's role, seeing him primarily as the one who provides salvation, but not fully grasping the depth of his indwelling presence and the ability for him to live his life through the believer. Your insights from the Charles Stanley sermon resonate with the biblical teaching on Christ in us, the hope of glory (Colossians 1:27).

Ultimately, I believe you are on the right track in your understanding of Christ's indwelling presence and the significance of fully surrendering to him. This is a critical aspect of authentic Christian living that is deserving of deeper study and personal application. I commend you for your hunger to grow in this area and for seeking to align your theology with the clear teaching of Scripture.

 

[drequeen]

I agree that many Christians have a limited view of Christ's role, seeing him primarily as the one who provides salvation, but not fully grasping the depth of his indwelling presence and the ability for him to live his life through the believer. Your insights from the Charles Stanley sermon resonate with the biblical teaching on Christ in us, the hope of glory (Colossians 1:27).

Ultimately, I believe you are on the right track in your understanding of Christ's indwelling presence and the significance of fully surrendering to him. This is a critical aspect of authentic Christian living that is deserving of deeper study and personal application. I commend you for your hunger to grow in this area and for seeking to align your theology with the clear teaching of Scripture.

Thanks, yaweh98. I think if other Christians would consider this it would be a blessing to them. God bless

 

[Major]

I'm a tad confused (as usual). Are we speaking in terms of the Risen Lord, who is always at the right hand of Majesty interceding for us; or our abiding Lord, through the Holy Spirit doing His sanctifying work?

Consequently, he is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through him, since he always lives to make intercession for them.— Hebrews 7:25

But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
— 1 Corinthians 15:10

You are not confused. You are Biblically correct.

It is by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is the action by which God takes up permanent residence in the body of a believer in Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, the Spirit would come and go from the saints, empowering them for service but not necessarily remaining with them.

Just as you correctly posted the Scriptures, Jesus today is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven. He is not living in believers today as our dear brother would like to think.

It is the person of the Holy Spirit who lives in us and empowers us and convicts us.

Jesus Christ is now in heaven with the Father, having ascended there 40 days after his resurrection. Jesus prophesied his ascension, angels confirmed it, and the disciples saw it. The benefit of the ascension for believers includes the arrival of the Holy Spirit and Jesus’ intercession for believers.

 

[crossnote]

You are not confused. You are Biblically correct.

It is by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is the action by which God takes up permanent residence in the body of a believer in Jesus Christ. In the Old Testament, the Spirit would come and go from the saints, empowering them for service but not necessarily remaining with them.

Just as you correctly posted the Scriptures, Jesus today is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven. He is not living in believers today as our dear brother would like to think.

It is the person of the Holy Spirit who lives in us and empowers us and convicts us.

Jesus Christ is now in heaven with the Father, having ascended there 40 days after his resurrection. Jesus prophesied his ascension, angels confirmed it, and the disciples saw it. The benefit of the ascension for believers includes the arrival of the Holy Spirit and Jesus’ intercession for believers.

I guess we stand on shaky grounds in our over-specificity of each Person's function within the Trinity, otherwise we end up with 3 Gods instead of One.

Colossians 1:27 KJV
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Colossians 1:27 NKJV
To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:27 NASB95
to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:27 BSB
To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:27 NET
God wanted to make known to them the glorious riches of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Perhaps the Amplified Bible has it right this time covering both bases?...

Colossians 1:27 AMP
God [in His eternal plan] chose to make known to them how great for the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in and among you, the hope and guarantee of [realizing the] glory.

 

[Major]

I guess we stand on shaky grounds in our over-specificity of each Person's function within the Trinity, otherwise we end up with 3 Gods instead of One.

Colossians 1:27 KJV
To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Colossians 1:27 NKJV
To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:27 NASB95
to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:27 BSB
To them God has chosen to make known among the Gentiles the glorious riches of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Colossians 1:27 NET
God wanted to make known to them the glorious riches of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

Perhaps the Amplified Bible has it right this time covering both bases?...

Colossians 1:27 AMP
God [in His eternal plan] chose to make known to them how great for the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in and among you, the hope and guarantee of [realizing the] glory.

I do not agree. I believe we are on solid Biblical ground brother.

It has been my understanding that the individual members of the Trinity have different tasks.

The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; & Rev. 4:11);
divine revelation (Revelation 1:1);
salvation (John 3:16-17);
and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10).
The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works:
the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Col. 1:16-16);
divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1);
and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42).
The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works:
creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30);
divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21);
salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2);
and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38).
Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Over the years, There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity.

However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate.

The egg fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves.
The apple fails just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself.
MAN fails as he is the husband, father and child but, all men are not husbands.

The KEY that is hard for some to grasp is that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God.

The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity.
Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

This is why the doctrine of the Trinity is one of the most difficult to grasp and understand.

 

[crossnote]

I do not agree. I believe we are on solid Biblical ground brother.

It has been my understanding that the individual members of the Trinity have different tasks.

The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; & Rev. 4:11);
divine revelation (Revelation 1:1);
salvation (John 3:16-17);
and Jesus’ human works (John 5:17; 14:10).
The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works:
the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Col. 1:16-16);
divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1);
and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42).
The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works:
creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30);
divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21);
salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2);
and Jesus’ works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38).
Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Over the years, There have been many attempts to develop illustrations of the Trinity.

However, none of the popular illustrations are completely accurate.

The egg fails in that the shell, white, and yolk are parts of the egg, not the egg in themselves.
The apple fails just as the skin, flesh, and seeds of the apple are parts of it, not the apple itself.
MAN fails as he is the husband, father and child but, all men are not husbands.

The KEY that is hard for some to grasp is that The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not parts of God; each of them is God.

The water illustration is somewhat better, but it still fails to adequately describe the Trinity.
Liquid, vapor, and ice are forms of water. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not forms of God, each of them is God. So, while these illustrations may give us a picture of the Trinity, the picture is not entirely accurate. An infinite God cannot be fully described by a finite illustration.

This is why the doctrine of the Trinity is one of the most difficult to grasp and understand.

It's rather impossible for the finite to comprehend the infinite was basically my point.

 

[drequeen]

John 15: 1-8
“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.
Every branch *in Me* that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.
*Abide in Me, and I in you*. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, *unless it abides in the vine*, neither can you, *unless you abide in Me*.
I am the vine, you are the branches. He who *abides in Me*, and *I in him*, bears much fruit; for without *Me* you can do nothing.
If anyone *does not abide in Me*, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
If you *abide in Me*, and My words *abide in you*, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.
By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples”.

Romans 8:1
“There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are *in Christ Jesus*, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit”.

Romans 8:10
“And *if Christ is in you*, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness”.

1 Corinthians 1:30
“But of Him you are *in Christ Jesus*, who became for us wisdom from God - and righteousness and sanctification and redemption”.

1 Corinthians 15:22
“For as in Adam all die, even so *in Christ* shall all be made alive".

2 Corinthians 5:17
“Therefore, if anyone is *in Christ*, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new”.

2 Corinthians 5:21
“For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God *in Him*".

Galatians 1:15-16
“But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,
*to reveal His Son in me*, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood”.

Galatians 2:20
“I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but *Christ lives in me*; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me”.

Galatians 4:19
“My little children, for whom I labor in birth again *until Christ is formed in you*”.

Ephesians 2:10
“For we are His workmanship, created *in Christ Jesus* for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them”.

Ephesians 2:13
“But now *in Christ Jesus* you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ “.

Ephesians 3:17
“That **Christ may dwell in your hearts** through faith; that you, being rooted and grounded in

Colossians 1:27
“To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of *this mystery* among the Gentiles: which is *Christ in you*, the hope of glory”.

Colossians 3:3
“For you died, and *your life is hidden with Christ in God*”.

2 Thessalonians 1:10
“When He comes, in that Day, to be glorified *in His saints* and to be admired among all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed”.

1 Peter 5:14
“Greet one another with a kiss of love. Peace to you all who are *in Christ Jesus*. Amen.

1 John 2:5-6
“But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that *we are in Him*.
He who says he *abides in Him* ought himself also to walk just as He walked”.

1 John 2:27-28
“But the anointing which you have received from Him *abides in you*, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and us not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you *will abide in Him*.
And now, little children, *abide in Him*, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming”.

1 John 3:24
“Now he who keeps His commandments *abides in Him, and He in him*. And by this we know that *He abides in us*, by the Spirit whom He had given us”.

1 John 4:9
“In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that *we might live through Him*”.

1 John 4:13
“By this we know that *we abide in Him and He in us*, because He has given us of His Spirit”.

1 John 4:15
“Whosoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, *God abides in him, and he in God*".

1 John 5:20
“And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and *we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ*. This is the true God and eternal life”.

Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, *I will come into him and dine with him, and he with Me*".

 

[BibleLover]

Each Godhead member's function is distinct and non-overlapping:

The Father--Chairman of the Board responsible for direction and policy making decisions.

The Son: CEO responsible for executing the policies and directives.

The Spirit--COO responsible for overseeing day-to-day operational details and supervising members while organizing the Body.

 

[crossnote]

Each Godhead member's function is distinct and non-overlapping:

The Father--Chairman of the Board responsible for direction and policy making decisions.

The Son: CEO responsible for executing the policies and directives.

The Spirit--COO responsible for overseeing day-to-day operational details and supervising members while organizing the Body.

It's beyond my pay grade...

John 17:21,23 KJV
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. [23] I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.