Did anyone else notice this?

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faither

Quick story.

In the 90s, my wife really liked going to the catholic mass. I would go with to support her and the kids.

During one of those masses when the priest was highlighting the elements, he said," lord we are not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and we shall be healed."

Now when i heard that it was like someone slapped me in the face, and the thought came like a flood, he's asking Christ to do something in addition to what He did on the cross to be healed. He was asking that the Lord say something in addition to the finished work on the cross, not if ands or buts about it.

So i went to the priest and brought it to his attention, even went onto some Catholic discussion sites and brought it up there also. Well that was 30 years ago and from time to time would catch some of a mass on the radio and was never changed, until a few days ago. The priest has changed it from Lord we are noy worthy to receive you, to, Lord we are not worthy to receive you under our roof. And the "but only say the word and we shall be healed was removed.

I imagine there are some Catholics in this community, i don't mean anything negative with this, we are all growing.

Did i heard that correctly?

jay
 
if not mistaken the Catholics believe the elements become the body of Christ.. he was right on one thing we are Not worthy . but by grace when we get saved he makes us worthy
faither said:
So i went to the priest and brought it to his attention, even went onto some Catholic discussion sites and brought it up there also. Well that was 30 years ago and from time to time would catch some of a mass on the radio and was never changed, until a few days ago. The priest has changed it from Lord we are noy worthy to receive you, to, Lord we are not worthy to receive you under our roof. And the "but only say the word and we shall be healed was removed.
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they have different ways is all i can say .they should have explained it to you
 
faither said:
During one of those masses when the priest was highlighting the elements, he said," lord we are not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and we shall be healed." Now when i heard that it was like someone slapped me in the face, and the thought came like a flood, he's asking Christ to do something in addition to what He did on the cross to be healed. He was asking that the Lord say something in addition to the finished work on the cross, not if ands or buts about it. So i went to the priest and brought it to his attention, even went onto some Catholic discussion sites and brought it up there also. Well that was 30 years ago and from time to time would catch some of a mass on the radio and was never changed, until a few days ago.
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faither said:
The priest has changed it from Lord we are noy worthy to receive you, to, Lord we are not worthy to receive you under our roof. And the "but only say the word and we shall be healed was removed. I imagine there are some Catholics in this community, i don't mean anything negative with this, we are all growing. Did i heard that correctly? jay
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Hello faither;

By chance, do you remember the reply you received from the priest when you asked him about the wording?

When the Centurion said to Jesus in Matthew 8:8-10, 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. - NIV

And in Mark 7:6b-7, the centurion sent friends to Him, saying to Him, “Lord, do not trouble Yourself, for I am not worthy that You should enter under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not even think myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. - NKJV

Years ago we discussed the Eucharist and the various Scriptures used. When the Centurion said to Jesus, "But say the word, and my servant will be healed", Jesus saw the humility and trust in the man, and commended him for his faith. In Catholicism this same unworthiness is the same approach to Jesus when receiving Communion.

Through the years Catholicism has always traditionally stood firm in the precise wording of prayers such as the Act of Contrition, Hail Mary, the Apostle's Creed, but have paraphrased Matthew 8:8-10 or Luke 7:6b-7, perhaps to appease the congregants in the wording during Communion, an important part of the Mass. That was one of the suggestions in the discussion.

God bless everyone.
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello faither;

By chance, do you remember the reply you received from the priest when you asked him about the wording?

When the Centurion said to Jesus in Matthew 8:8-10, 8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. - NIV

And in Mark 7:6b-7, the centurion sent friends to Him, saying to Him, “Lord, do not trouble Yourself, for I am not worthy that You should enter under my roof. 7 Therefore I did not even think myself worthy to come to You. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. - NKJV

Years ago we discussed the Eucharist and the various Scriptures used. When the Centurion said to Jesus, "But say the word, and my servant will be healed", Jesus saw the humility and trust in the man, and commended him for his faith. In Catholicism this same unworthiness is the same approach to Jesus when receiving Communion.

Through the years Catholicism has always traditionally stood firm in the precise wording of prayers such as the Act of Contrition, Hail Mary, the Apostle's Creed, but have paraphrased Matthew 8:8-10 or Luke 7:6b-7, perhaps to appease the congregants in the wording during Communion, an important part of the Mass. That was one of the suggestions in the discussion.

God bless everyone.
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It was 30 years ago during a bible study he was doing. I was asking Him about why the catholic faith celebrates the death of Christ on good Friday? Anyone who has done the work knows Christ died Wed at sundown, to thurs sundown, to Friday sundown to sat sundown, three days and three nights. If it happened any other way Jesus would have broken the feast day during that three-day period. Anyway, i laid out the refutable information and asked him what we should do with it, he said and i quote, "throw it in the trash." He wasn't a great communicator, but in his defense, everyone liked him.

I don't remember his response to the wording during the communion. But in my understanding that particular scripture doesn't belong in the communion. When they add " only say the word and we shall be healed," it's asking Jesus to do something in addition to the completed work He did on the cross in order for us to be healed.

jay
 
faither said:
It was 30 years ago during a bible study he was doing. I was asking Him about why the catholic faith celebrates the death of Christ on good Friday? Anyone who has done the work knows Christ died Wed at sundown, to thurs sundown, to Friday sundown to sat sundown, three days and three nights. If it happened any other way Jesus would have broken the feast day during that three-day period. Anyway, i laid out the refutable information and asked him what we should do with it, he said and i quote, "throw it in the trash." He wasn't a great communicator, but in his defense, everyone liked him.

I don't remember his response to the wording during the communion. But in my understanding that particular scripture doesn't belong in the communion. When they add " only say the word and we shall be healed," it's asking Jesus to do something in addition to the completed work He did on the cross in order for us to be healed.

jay
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Just to add, i understand this to be an unintentional trampling of the blood of Christ.

jay
 
faither said:
It was 30 years ago during a bible study he was doing. I was asking Him about why the catholic faith celebrates the death of Christ on good Friday? Anyone who has done the work knows Christ died Wed at sundown, to thurs sundown, to Friday sundown to sat sundown, three days and three nights. If it happened any other way Jesus would have broken the feast day during that three-day period. Anyway, i laid out the refutable information and asked him what we should do with it, he said and i quote, "throw it in the trash." He wasn't a great communicator, but in his defense, everyone liked him.

I don't remember his response to the wording during the communion. But in my understanding that particular scripture doesn't belong in the communion. When they add " only say the word and we shall be healed," it's asking Jesus to do something in addition to the completed work He did on the cross in order for us to be healed.

jay
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This day of the death of Jesus brings back a lot of memories for me. It was a point of contention when I was in Seminary.

May I point out to you that there is a glaring difficulty with the Wednesday view that you propose!

It is, according to the Scriptures that the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus did so on “the same day” of His resurrection in Lk.24:13.

There is that Scripture we clearly see that those disciples, who do not recognize Jesus, tell Him of Jesus’ crucifixion in verse 20 and say that “today is the third day since these things happened” (verse 21). What is the point????????
Wednesday to Sunday is FOUR days.

Our professor laid it to rest by saying emphatically that while we have debated the day of the crucifixion, the day of the resurrection is absolutely clear: .......
Scripture says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. What’s more important than knowing the day of the week of Jesus’ death is believing that He did die and that He rose from the dead.

Equally important is why He died—to take the punishment that all sinners deserve. Jesus is truly the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29).

Putting your trust in Him results in eternal life (Jn. 3:16 & 36)!

This is true whether He was crucified on a Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.
 
Major said:
This day of the death of Jesus brings back a lot of memories for me. It was a point of contention when I was in Seminary.

May I point out to you that there is a glaring difficulty with the Wednesday view that you propose!

It is, according to the Scriptures that the disciples who walked with Jesus on the road to Emmaus did so on “the same day” of His resurrection in Lk.24:13.

There is that Scripture we clearly see that those disciples, who do not recognize Jesus, tell Him of Jesus’ crucifixion in verse 20 and say that “today is the third day since these things happened” (verse 21). What is the point????????
Wednesday to Sunday is FOUR days.

Our professor laid it to rest by saying emphatically that while we have debated the day of the crucifixion, the day of the resurrection is absolutely clear: .......
Scripture says that Jesus rose on the first day of the week. What’s more important than knowing the day of the week of Jesus’ death is believing that He did die and that He rose from the dead.

Equally important is why He died—to take the punishment that all sinners deserve. Jesus is truly the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world (John 1:29).

Putting your trust in Him results in eternal life (Jn. 3:16 & 36)!

This is true whether He was crucified on a Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday.
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Agreed Major, but not getting this correct robs the Father of one of the greatest miracles to ever happen.

The teacher that studied every angle of this had research groups. one of those groups was tasked to find out if there was another period of time that the death and resurrection of Christ could have happened without breaking a feast day. (They were always overlapping each other).

they found that the death and resurrection couldn't have happened within that 3 day and 3-night period for another 2500 years before and after that exact week. We call that God just showing off.

jay
 
YeshuaFan said:
The way Rome describes what happens at the mass and Eucharist would outright blasphemy
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That is exactly what I am saying.

In the nicest way I know to say it, the Catholic Church is not a Bible Christian religion. It is wholly a religion unto itself because it has NO Biblical support for its doctrines but instead relies completely on the "Traditions" of men.
 
faither said:
Agreed Major, but not getting this correct robs the Father of one of the greatest miracles to ever happen.

The teacher that studied every angle of this had research groups. one of those groups was tasked to find out if there was another period of time that the death and resurrection of Christ could have happened without breaking a feast day. (They were always overlapping each other).

they found that the death and resurrection couldn't have happened within that 3 day and 3-night period for another 2500 years before and after that exact week. We call that God just showing off.

jay
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I would say that those closer to the actual event, those men who wrote the record in the Bible had the best view and I for one would follow their teaching that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday which would account for 3 days (Partial) in the grave).

Now, I would say now what I said 50 years ago when I was 1st introduced to this that I could easily be convinced that Jesus was crucified on THURSDAY as that would place Him in the grave for 3 days (Partial) and 3 Nights wholly.

That would balance Matthew 12:40....
"For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

But, again.....it just does not matter to me.
 
faither said:
I'm not looking at the spec in the Catholics eye, i focus on the log in my own.

I just thought that maybe they had made a change in the right direction.
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I understand that view point, however the Scripture tells us to be "Fruit Inspectors"!

Some of us have fallen to the idea that we as believers should never judge the actions of others. That is actually NOT what the Bible teaches us. In fact, it says just the opposite. We are called to look at, test and inspect the actions of those who say that they are Christians.

Now, if all the preachers in the world never preached on SIN because they are sinners, then who would get saved?????
For a man to be saved he must 1st understand that he is a sinner and if no one tells him that how can he be saved????

It really does not matter if we have a 2 x 4 in our eye when the person/organization we are referring to is teaching totally heretical and false traditions instead of the Word of God.

In Titus 1:11, Paul challenges all Christians..........
"Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake".
 
Major said:
That is exactly what I am saying.

In the nicest way I know to say it, the Catholic Church is not a Bible Christian religion. It is wholly a religion unto itself because it has NO Biblical support for its doctrines but instead relies completely on the "Traditions" of men.
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Add extra biblical non inspired books, and the vail teachings of men, dogmas of popes
 
Major said:
I understand that view point, however the Scripture tells us to be "Fruit Inspectors"!

Some of us have fallen to the idea that we as believers should never judge the actions of others. That is actually NOT what the Bible teaches us. In fact, it says just the opposite. We are called to look at, test and inspect the actions of those who say that they are Christians.

Now, if all the preachers in the world never preached on SIN because they are sinners, then who would get saved?????
For a man to be saved he must 1st understand that he is a sinner and if no one tells him that how can he be saved????

It really does not matter if we have a 2 x 4 in our eye when the person/organization we are referring to is teaching totally heretical and false traditions instead of the Word of God.

In Titus 1:11, Paul challenges all Christians..........
"Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake".
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Paul called out peter, and he was also a fellow Apostle
 
LearningToLetGo said:
I don't think 1st century Jews tracked time as we do today. Friday-Sunday is three days since it includes a portion of each day.
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I agree and that is exactly why I said.......
"I would say that those closer to the actual event, those men who wrote the record in the Bible had the best view and I for one would follow their teaching that Jesus was crucified on Friday and rose on Sunday which would account for 3 days (Partial) in the grave).".........in post #12.
 
LearningToLetGo said:
I don't think 1st century Jews tracked time as we do today. Friday-Sunday is three days since it includes a portion of each day.
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yup each day started at sundown. Wed at sundown to Thursday sundown one day one night , Thursday sundown to Friday sundown two days two nights, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown three days and tree nights.

Feast days on Thursday and Saturday were unbroken.

jay
 
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