Really? Interesting, yes come back and tell me everything you know about this subject.There are many scriptures that help argue both sides. It is 5am though and I am about to get some sleep. I can find those scriptures later if no one else posts them first. What I can say with certainty is that there is differently levels of consequences for different sins.
Romans 6:23 says............. “For the wages of sin is death…”Do you think yahweh judges all sins the same.
What kind of degrees of punishment in hell are there.Romans 6:23 says............. “For the wages of sin is death…”
All sin leads to death and judgment without Jesus, but does that mean all sins are equal? NO!
Exodus 22 and Leviticus 20 tells us that God assigned different penalties to certain sins This suggests that certain sins differ in seriousness. Under the Old Testament law, a thief paid restitution; an occult practitioner was cut off from Israel; but one who committed adultery was put to death.
Moses says that the golden calf debacle a great sin in Ex. 32:30.
Ezekiel says that after Oholah (Samaria) had ruined herself by unfaithfulness to God, Oholibah (Jerusalem) "became more corrupt … in her lust and in her whoring, which was worse than that of her sister" in Ezek. 23:11, ESV.
John distinguishes sins that do and do not inevitably lead to death in John 5:16, picking up Jesus' warning about the unforgivable sin in Mark. 3:28-30.
There are different degrees of sin just as there are diferrant degrees of punishment in hell.
No way to determine that my brother.What kind of degrees of punishment in hell are there.
I am not sure what you are saying my brother, but in reality there is NO punishment for sin in eternity for the "saved".It only takes one sin to separate us from God-no matter what it is.
The punishment for sin in eternity for the unsaved appears to be the same: eternal death/ hell/ separation from God.
The punishment for the 'saved' in eternity is an entirely different debate. I look at is a a losing of rewards or treasures rather than a punishment. You just won't be elevated the same way in eternity as those who are more obedient to the Word. I believe there is a hierarchy in Heaven.
In my opinion.
Sorry Glo, but I have to dissagree with you here. Believers will receive the rewards they earned and we will be able to receive different ones and not every one will get the same or even all of them.Yes, there is a hierarchy in Heaven. But, as Jesus alluded to in the parable of the laborers, all get the same rewards regardless of whether they started laboring at 6 a.m. or 2 p.m..
Glo.....denying what the Scriptures say is not the point here my brother. I believe the Scriptures, but in this case I just do not think you are understanding what they are saying here..........and I say that with no disrespect to you my friend.20 “For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius[a] for the day and sent them into his vineyard.
3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.
“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’
7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.
“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’
8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’
9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’
13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend. Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you. 15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’
16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”
So major, you deny what is being said here?
Each is payed exactly the same.
Each of the saved is immortal, you cannot be "more immortal".
Each of the saved is happy, healthy, and free from all the plagues and problems that mortal existence
is prone to. You cannot be "more free".
If you mean that some will have "more honour", or "greater prestige" then I agree with you.
But the benefits for being on the winning side of this mess are the same for everyone.
Yes-that was my point exactly. It is not so much a 'punishment' as it is lesser reward in heaven/afterlife. Can you say with 100% certainty that we will ALL get the same 'treasure' in heaven? (Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:14-30)I am not sure what you are saying my brother, but in reality there is NO punishment for sin in eternity for the "saved".
Consider:Now then, is their a hierarchy in heaven for believers????
That is a real troubling question and since there are no Scriptures to support it, I would have to say NO.
OK. Yes sir I understand now what you were saying and we are in agreement. God bless you!Yes-that was my point exactly. It is not so much a 'punishment' as it is lesser reward in heaven/afterlife. Can you say with 100% certainty that we will ALL get the same 'treasure' in heaven? (Matthew 16:27, Matthew 25:14-30)
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
We know there is a 'King'.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
We know there are 'elders'
Matthew 19:28 (Luke 22:30)
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
We know the disciples will be 'judges' over Israel.
Yes I agree there is very little to go on. When you combine the parables of heaven and the Revelation-I think we may all be surprised in the end. I won't mind sweeping golden streets....(if there is any dust)...
***NOTE: I don't want to make this into a 'what happens pre/post trib rapture'; so I am making this statement so you know I am aware of the different implications of the '1000 year reign' and all that goes with it.***
Aren't we called to improvement upon salvation? To better ourselves in Christ? I would question genuine salvation if the heart is not seeking the Lord?I would not offer a single complaint if I were merely a garbage man in Heaven. I'd be delighted for the mere opportunity to share in God's Kingdom, even if I hold the smallest share imaginable. I am concerned though that many Christians seem to make that their goal. They seem so often to desire to slide through the gates with as little possible margin as possible while living the "best" possible life on Earth.
Aren't we called to improvement upon salvation? To better ourselves in Christ? I would question genuine salvation if the heart is not seeking the Lord?
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