Are we all evil ?
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I disagree
WE ARE ALL SINNERS, saved by grace.
I disagree with you.
We do not become "instantly pure holy and sinless when we are saved".
We still have evil thoughts and still sin.
Sinners saved by grace.
dave
WE ARE ALL SINNERS, saved by grace.
I disagree with you.
We do not become "instantly pure holy and sinless when we are saved".
We still have evil thoughts and still sin.
Sinners saved by grace.
dave
You are partly correct !
I have reconsidered your statemint and have chosen to agree with you.
He was talking to sinners and WE ARE ALL SINNERS !!!
Consider what JESUS said in >>>
Mark 10 (New American Standard Bible)
17As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
18And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
( since JESUS IS GOD JESUS IS GOOD )
( since we are not GOD we are not good )
Final thought >>>> NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD !!!!!!!
( that makes us evil rebellious children saved by grace )
I have reconsidered your statemint and have chosen to agree with you.
He was talking to sinners and WE ARE ALL SINNERS !!!
Consider what JESUS said in >>>
Mark 10 (New American Standard Bible)
17As He was setting out on a journey, a man ran up to Him and knelt before Him, and asked Him, "Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?"
18And Jesus said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
( since JESUS IS GOD JESUS IS GOOD )
( since we are not GOD we are not good )
Final thought >>>> NO ONE IS GOOD EXCEPT GOD !!!!!!!
( that makes us evil rebellious children saved by grace )
JesusReignsForever
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Evil is within us all yes but are we all evil?? Nope
With that statement, I now agree with him fully.
Sometimes I just miss that one link and I'm off.
JesusReignsForever
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NOPE = Not Only People Evil
lol
A response to this thread
Are we sinful?
Sinful Man....Before a Holy God
We stand.
No one is Righteous, No, Not One.
That is Why He sent His Son:
Jesus Christ, He came to save,
through shedding of His Blood,
the penalty would be waved.
From in our heart,
at times,
we choose to sin.
Once In Jesus,
Our new life begins in Him.
Blessed,
Precious,
Redemption from On High
To Free Us from the Slavery of sin is why
You did come to live among Us and Ultimantely Upon a Cross Suffer and Die.
This, thus took the wage of Our Sin.
Now Are we able,
if we choose,
to Sin again
Why Of Course
& Yet That Needn't be our heart.
For Jesus Christ came in
So that from Darkness we may depart
And Live in the Light of Truth
And Walk in God's Way.
To stroll on With God
Into the Eternal Day
by Templedweller
Are we sinful?
Sinful Man....Before a Holy God
We stand.
No one is Righteous, No, Not One.
That is Why He sent His Son:
Jesus Christ, He came to save,
through shedding of His Blood,
the penalty would be waved.
From in our heart,
at times,
we choose to sin.
Once In Jesus,
Our new life begins in Him.
Blessed,
Precious,
Redemption from On High
To Free Us from the Slavery of sin is why
You did come to live among Us and Ultimantely Upon a Cross Suffer and Die.
This, thus took the wage of Our Sin.
Now Are we able,
if we choose,
to Sin again
Why Of Course
& Yet That Needn't be our heart.
For Jesus Christ came in
So that from Darkness we may depart
And Live in the Light of Truth
And Walk in God's Way.
To stroll on With God
Into the Eternal Day
by Templedweller
violet
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Proverbs 2
The Value of Wisdom
The Value of Wisdom
1 My son, if you receive my words,
And treasure my commands within you,
2 So that you incline your ear to wisdom,
And apply your heart to understanding;
3 Yes, if you cry out for discernment,
And lift up your voice for understanding,
4 If you seek her as silver,
And search for her as for hidden treasures;
5 Then you will understand the fear of the LORD,
And find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;
7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;
8 He guards the paths of justice,
And preserves the way of His saints.
9 Then you will understand righteousness and justice,
Equity and every good path.
10 When wisdom enters your heart,
And knowledge is pleasant to your soul,
11 Discretion will preserve you;
Understanding will keep you,
12 To deliver you from the way of evil...
Obviously we can be delivered from evil!
THE LORD'S PRAYER
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen
And treasure my commands within you,
2 So that you incline your ear to wisdom,
And apply your heart to understanding;
3 Yes, if you cry out for discernment,
And lift up your voice for understanding,
4 If you seek her as silver,
And search for her as for hidden treasures;
5 Then you will understand the fear of the LORD,
And find the knowledge of God.
6 For the LORD gives wisdom;
From His mouth come knowledge and understanding;
7 He stores up sound wisdom for the upright;
He is a shield to those who walk uprightly;
8 He guards the paths of justice,
And preserves the way of His saints.
9 Then you will understand righteousness and justice,
Equity and every good path.
10 When wisdom enters your heart,
And knowledge is pleasant to your soul,
11 Discretion will preserve you;
Understanding will keep you,
12 To deliver you from the way of evil...
Obviously we can be delivered from evil!
THE LORD'S PRAYER
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen
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Boanerges(Inactive)
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I enjoyed that Templedweller!
The old man is hopelessly wicked and in need of salvation (in him dwells no good thing) . The new man is created after God in righteousness and true holiness- the soul is what needed saving- we are to be renewed in our minds (thinking) according to the Word of God by the Spirit of God. As we do this we see the new man manifest in our lives.
The old man is hopelessly wicked and in need of salvation (in him dwells no good thing) . The new man is created after God in righteousness and true holiness- the soul is what needed saving- we are to be renewed in our minds (thinking) according to the Word of God by the Spirit of God. As we do this we see the new man manifest in our lives.
Not to get too off-topic, but this made me think of a line from Merlin:
Merlin: Does not your own religion tell you "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone"?
Knight: Well...I admit. That I have sinned...a little.
This really told me a few things. First, it shows how everyone views Christians from the outside. We make all kinds of claims about our own religion that we rarely live up to. We get attacked, not because we specifically have done anything, but because so many Christians have tried to set themselves up above everyone else instead of lifting Christ up. We expect our leaders and every person in the church to be perfect.
It's something that is a major struggle, and I think many times it's completely unrealistic. You come to Christ just as you are, but the church itself seems to expect so much more from you. If your denomination has rules, then you are expected to live by them on top of God's law. I understand that if you were perfect, that you would strive to achieve some of these rules, but some get pretty strict IMO. My own church never allowed dancing of any kind in the past. Even movies and TV were outlawed. But the rules have changed, yet some still expect that on day 1.
I can understand why someone would choose that life, but so many don't live it themselves, and still try to push it on people. Outsiders see that first, before they even see Christ. So really, which is the worse sin? To me, there is no sin worse than leading another person astray.
It's like Sunday lunch. Everyone tries to remember the Sabbath and do no work. So they all go out to lunch. Sunday afternoon is a REALLY busy time in restaurants. So, if it's a sin for you to work, how much worse is it that you go somewhere and make someone else work? And then not tip them because they are just "sinners"?
Christian need to avoid these kinds of dualities. Because that is how people see us, and that is how people see Christ through us.
Merlin: Does not your own religion tell you "Let he that is without sin cast the first stone"?
Knight: Well...I admit. That I have sinned...a little.
This really told me a few things. First, it shows how everyone views Christians from the outside. We make all kinds of claims about our own religion that we rarely live up to. We get attacked, not because we specifically have done anything, but because so many Christians have tried to set themselves up above everyone else instead of lifting Christ up. We expect our leaders and every person in the church to be perfect.
It's something that is a major struggle, and I think many times it's completely unrealistic. You come to Christ just as you are, but the church itself seems to expect so much more from you. If your denomination has rules, then you are expected to live by them on top of God's law. I understand that if you were perfect, that you would strive to achieve some of these rules, but some get pretty strict IMO. My own church never allowed dancing of any kind in the past. Even movies and TV were outlawed. But the rules have changed, yet some still expect that on day 1.
I can understand why someone would choose that life, but so many don't live it themselves, and still try to push it on people. Outsiders see that first, before they even see Christ. So really, which is the worse sin? To me, there is no sin worse than leading another person astray.
It's like Sunday lunch. Everyone tries to remember the Sabbath and do no work. So they all go out to lunch. Sunday afternoon is a REALLY busy time in restaurants. So, if it's a sin for you to work, how much worse is it that you go somewhere and make someone else work? And then not tip them because they are just "sinners"?
Christian need to avoid these kinds of dualities. Because that is how people see us, and that is how people see Christ through us.
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Boanerges(Inactive)
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Brother Ban if a man says he is good he is (look at me, I do this, I don't do that, etc.) fooling himself and setting himself up for a trip down the humbling highway. It is always preferable to admit your weakness and lift up Jesus. As a christian I have been haranged like everyone else but this I have learned- one cannot be a hypocrite if one if one declares the goodness of his Saviour . Lifting Jesus up draws men- self exaultation was lucifer's mistake.
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Boanerges(Inactive)
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In less words- but we still agree!