Are We Angry?

[LearningToLetGo]

The world is ceded to Satan and mankind is fallen. We live in sin and fear eternal torment for the crime of being born. We beg God to save us while secretly fearing he won't.

Are we angry? Do we have right to be or are we deluded?

Perhaps we misunderstand everything. Is the truth so simple that it can't possibly be true?

 

[Major]

The world is ceded to Satan and mankind is fallen. We live in sin and fear eternal torment for the crime of being born. We beg God to save us while secretly fearing he won't.

Are we angry? Do we have right to be or are we deluded?

Perhaps we misunderstand everything. Is the truth so simple that it can't possibly be true?

YES..............I am angry!

I am angry that Alabama did not make the playoffs last year! Being from the Promised Land, I have that right!

 

[crossnote]

We beg God to save us while secretly fearing he won't.

Now that wouldn't be any type of faith, now would it?

Psalm 112:6-7 ESV
For the righteous will never be moved; he will be remembered forever. [7] He is not afraid of bad news; his heart is firm, trusting in the LORD.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

Now that wouldn't be any type of faith, now would it?

I'm not quite sure how you mean this.

Psalm 112:6-7 ESV
For the righteous will never be moved; he will be remembered forever. [7] He is not afraid of bad news; his heart is firm, trusting in the LORD.

Given the inclusion of this portion of Psalm 112, I infer that you imply my faith could be stronger. If that's the case then I agree, but that's also true for everyone who isn't Jesus himself. It's natural to have doubts. I would never expect someone to have perfect faith at all times. Even Jesus had a moment of doubt on the cross. What matters is not the doubts we harbor inside as much as the actions we take outside. As the adage goes, "courage isn't the absence of fear; it's feeling fear yet moving forward anyway."

 

[crossnote]

I'm not quite sure how you mean this.

Given the inclusion of this portion of Psalm 112, I infer that you imply my faith could be stronger. If that's the case then I agree, but that's also true for everyone who isn't Jesus himself. It's natural to have doubts. I would never expect someone to have perfect faith at all times. Even Jesus had a moment of doubt on the cross. What matters is not the doubts we harbor inside as much as the actions we take outside. As the adage goes, "courage isn't the absence of fear; it's feeling fear yet moving forward anyway."

I guess I see faith and fear as exclusive. No one has perfect faith (except Jesus), but to the extent we lack faith, we fear.
The only one we are to fear is God.
Psalm 56:4 KJV
In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.

ps I do not hold that Jesus ever doubted, otherwise He would not have been sinless. Doubt is not a virtue but a result of the war with the flesh, and yes no one is 'doubt-free' until we have received our new bodies.

All our 'faiths' could be stronger, Ps. 112 was only meant as a general word of encouragement (not to be taken personally).

 

[LearningToLetGo]

I guess I see faith and fear as exclusive.

I agree. Fear and faith are two ends of the same spectrum. Faith dispels fear and vice versa. It's for this reason God is attributed with phrases such as "do not fear" or "fear not" when speaking with Moses and the other prophets.

ps I do not hold that Jesus ever doubted

I say this in reference to Mark 15:34

'And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”' (ESV).

Ps. 112 was only meant as a general word of encouragement (not to be taken personally).

I take no offense and greatly appreciate your comments.

 

[crossnote]

I say this in reference to Mark 15:34

'And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”' (ESV).

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IMHO, if Jesus doubted, then He was fearing death and not God, and would be disqualified to be our Saviour.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

IMHO, if Jesus doubted, then He was fearing death and not God, and would be disqualified to be our Saviour.

Jesus is human (and God), and what is more human than doubt? I find his doubt in no way a disqualification. Indeed, it binds us closer to him in that he truly does understand us having experienced our full range of emotions himself.

 

[Musicmaster]

The world is ceded to Satan and mankind is fallen. We live in sin and fear eternal torment for the crime of being born. We beg God to save us while secretly fearing he won't.

Are we angry? Do we have right to be or are we deluded?

Perhaps we misunderstand everything. Is the truth so simple that it can't possibly be true?

Ummm, no. I have no fear of God not saving me because we ALL have His promises, many of them, that our salvation is assured on the basis He established.

Also, in Revelation 5, it's the Father who holds the title deed to the earth in His Hands, and Who then hands that title, with the seven seals, to the Son.

God is in control, no matter what mischief the Lord allows him to get away with, God is still in control.

That's what casts into the light of foolishness, and strikingly so, the claim Satan made to Jesus to allegedly give to him all the kingdoms of the world if only Jesus would bow down to him. How silly and petty that was....

Some have asked how we know that scroll is the title deed to the earth. What else could it be? I'd entertain alternatives, if anyone has any.

MM

 

[bobinfaith]

I guess I see faith and fear as exclusive. No one has perfect faith (except Jesus), but to the extent we lack faith, we fear. The only one we are to fear is God. Psalm 56:4 KJV In God I will praise his word, in God I have put my trust; I will not fear what flesh can do unto me.
ps I do not hold that Jesus ever doubted, otherwise He would not have been sinless. Doubt is not a virtue but a result of the war with the flesh, and yes no one is 'doubt-free' until we have received our new bodies. All our 'faiths' could be stronger, Ps. 112 was only meant as a general word of encouragement (not to be taken personally).

Ummm, no. I have no fear of God not saving me because we ALL have His promises, many of them, that our salvation is assured on the basis He established. Also, in Revelation 5, it's the Father who holds the title deed to the earth in His Hands, and Who then hands that title, with the seven seals, to the Son. God is in control, no matter what mischief the Lord allows him to get away with, God is still in control. That's what casts into the light of foolishness, and strikingly so, the claim Satan made to Jesus to allegedly give to him all the kingdoms of the world if only Jesus would bow down to him. How silly and petty that was....Some have asked how we know that scroll is the title deed to the earth. What else could it be? I'd entertain alternatives, if anyone has any.
MM

Hello brothers;

We appreciate your excellent points and they both align with the context in Psalm 54 and Revelation 5.

It's commendable that Jesus may have feared out of understanding the common ground with humans, but this is not possible. Otherwise, He would contradict what He commands in Matthew 10:28, Mark 5:36, Luke 12:7, 32 and John 14:27.

When Jesus cried out to God on the cross He was not afraid of the pain of death, but acknowledging that God could not condone the sins and withdraws only for awhile. The burden is now on His Son and God’s wrath for sin is revealed in full. When Jesus cried out “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” This was a moment in the despair of death, but in the words of the Psalm 56:4 there is also hope in God for deliverance.

God bless you, brothers, and your families.

 

[TransformedinChrist]

Ummm, no. I have no fear of God not saving me because we ALL have His promises, many of them, that our salvation is assured on the basis He established.

Also, in Revelation 5, it's the Father who holds the title deed to the earth in His Hands, and Who then hands that title, with the seven seals, to the Son.

God is in control, no matter what mischief the Lord allows him to get away with, God is still in control.

That's what casts into the light of foolishness, and strikingly so, the claim Satan made to Jesus to allegedly give to him all the kingdoms of the world if only Jesus would bow down to him. How silly and petty that was....

Some have asked how we know that scroll is the title deed to the earth. What else could it be? I'd entertain alternatives, if anyone has any.

MM

I have always taught and told my girls this. Yes the scroll is the title deed to the earth! Praise God.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

Ummm, no. I have no fear of God not saving me because we ALL have His promises, many of them, that our salvation is assured on the basis He established.

This is true and I hope you are right but it's also true that there is both a wide and narrow gate and many who call Jesus' name will be met with the horrible reality that he will say he does not know them. I think it's fair to say no person's salvation is certain until death actually claims them.

 

[crossnote]

This is true and I hope you are right but it's also true that there is both a wide and narrow gate and many who call Jesus' name will be met with horrible reality that he will say he does not know them. I think it's fair to say no person's salvation is certain until death actually claims them.

Regarding the wide/narrow gate/way, I like to say (and I believe it is biblical), "The way is as narrow as the cross is wide".

Regarding Jesus saying 'I never knew you'. That would be impossible for those He regenerates (grants the new birth). And besides, those people were trusting in their own accomplishments, listen...

Matthew 7:22 ESV
On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'

Rather, they should have been trusting in Christ's perfect obedience instead.

 

[bobinfaith]

This is true and I hope you are right but it's also true that there is both a wide and narrow gate and many who call Jesus' name will be met with the horrible reality that he will say he does not know them. I think it's fair to say no person's salvation is certain until death actually claims them.

Hello LearningToLetGo;

You, we and me can rejoice and be glad! Those who ACCEPT Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior is KEY and will receive the promise of eternity. * It's done!

in Luke 23:40-43 when Jesus was on the cross, one of the criminals also on the cross rebuked the other criminal and said to Jesus,

40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” 43 And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

The criminal didn't "walk" with Jesus but in those last moments, Jesus, seeing the man's repentance and faith, made him a promise of eternity.

God made the profound statement in John 3:16, 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

* Unless we commit apostasy and lied during or from the beginning about accepting Jesus, God will not save if we do not persevere in our faith in Christ.

God bless you, Jason, and your family.

 

[Musicmaster]

This is true and I hope you are right but it's also true that there is both a wide and narrow gate and many who call Jesus' name will be met with the horrible reality that he will say he does not know them. I think it's fair to say no person's salvation is certain until death actually claims them.

My friend, all who are born again will be accepted. Being born again means that one is not lukewarm. There are many who believe, but who are not born from above, and they will indeed find themselves standing upon a foundation of mere religion rather than true, born again salvation.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

MM

 

[bobinfaith]

The world is ceded to Satan and mankind is fallen. We live in sin and fear eternal torment for the crime of being born. We beg God to save us while secretly fearing he won't. Are we angry? Do we have right to be or are we deluded? Perhaps we misunderstand everything. Is the truth so simple that it can't possibly be true?

My friend, all who are born again will be accepted. Being born again means that one is not lukewarm. There are many who believe, but who are not born from above, and they will indeed find themselves standing upon a foundation of mere religion rather than true, born again salvation.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
MM

Hello LearnedToLetGo and MM;

I'd like to share my testimony regarding anger. Yes, I was having personal issues with anger this year. Did I have the right to be or just deceived by false beliefs? Could it be one area that triggered my anger? Let's just say my anger came from all sides, life, people, my faith, etc...

One person this year exclaimed, "but you're a pastor! You're supposed to hold a higher standard!" Anyone who serves in ministry has heard this at least once or twice. (My wife doesn't count.) lol!

Whether you're a loving spouse, parent, manager, teacher or servant in the church, etc...we all must hold a higher standard, not just the Pastor. But we are all still men and women. We all have our share of life challenges, extreme world circumstances including questioning our faith with God.

I can go to God about anything and everything especially my faith. Behind closed doors I have voiced my anger to God. But the benefit and reward of a daily relationship with Jesus keeps us mindful when approaching God with anger. Keep Him always in reverence, respect and fear of who He is. God always knows what's on our hearts and will reveal His answers especially His Word and make a way for us in all the secondary things (circumstances.)

There are two ways of communicating with God. By praying (talking) to Him and listening (being still and quiet) to Him. God always goes ahead of us when we prepare for His answers.

I cannot say I will hear His audible but a passage will come to mind (benefit of reading the Bible daily) and will read and chew on it;

Romans 15:32, 32 so that by God's will I may come to you with joy and be refreshed in your company.

Paul heard of the Church in Rome and felt a bond with the believers. He wanted to go there despite the challenges, but the opportunity brought him joy.

Acts 3:19, 19 Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

Peter preached to the crowd to repent. He told them to turn around in their negative ways and doubtful minds. He didn't want them to feel bad but to repent and believe. When we confess everything to God, the release of our anger or shortcomings has a way of refreshing us which helps us think better instead of wallowing in our anger or bemoaning.

God put on my heart to do something fun. My wife and I decided to "pull the plug" and take a trip overseas. We invited our niece and two nephews. While away we got things off our minds (especially mine.) We had fun seeing the sights and meeting other people. When we returned we felt refreshed, the anger ceased and I was ready to get back to life but with a better spirit and mind.

We all get angry and it can bring about questions, doubts in our faith and even the Scriptures may fall short. God understands each and everyone of us better than we know ourselves. What a relief! It's a matter of what we as believers do about it. Even with that God will equip us.

God bless us all in our continued daily growth in Christ.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

I'd like to share my testimony regarding anger.

Thank you for your courage and your honesty.