At The Cross ..

many people do not realize how much "perfect symbolism" occured during Christ's passion .. so I am reposting this ..

xxx wrote:

Consider what Christ was given to drink when he was on the cross. In the Letters of Lucillus Seneca describes a public lavatory where a tersorium (sponge on a stick) was kept in water and would cost about 2 denarius however used tersorium were washed off in running water or soaked in vinegar or sour wine and would cost a single denarius; you simply paid the slave/attendant at the door. If you couldn't afford a sponge you could use pessoi (small smooth round stones) if you had any but most of the time you used your fingers. The money was used to replenish the sponges and to pay for the up keep to the facility and don't ask how they identified the Men's and Ladies' rooms. The wealthy and middle classes used tersoria while the poorer classes used pessoi. Now you know why Christ suffering as he was had the presence of mind to spit it out.

ixoye_8 wrote:
Lucius Annaeus Seneca (tutor to Emperor Nero) was speaking about the practices of Rome NOT Judea ..
and in no way does bathroom stuff apply to what happened at the cross ..

Jesus accepted the sour wine (the poorest quality wine there was) ..
this less then perfect wine represented SINNERS ..
and was given Him on a hyssop ..
the hyssop is purple and represented His Kingship ..
the same as was used to apply the blood to the door of the Hebrews before their passover ..
the door represented Jesus Himself ..
the blood of the lamb that saved them applied to the door with the hyssop represented Jesus' blood ..

thus the passover in Egypt before the Exodus was a picture of Jesus' redemptive (passover) power of the cross for us also to passover .. the 40 years wandering in the desert represented the 3 days in the tomb .. the resurrection of Jesus makes entering the promised land/heaven possible ..

only Matthew and Mark cover Jesus' rejection of the good wine with the Myrrh ..
but all 4 Gospels cover Jesus' acceptance of the low quality wine ..

Mat 27:34 they gave Him wine to drink mixed with gall; and after tasting it, He was unwilling to drink.

Mar 15:23 They tried to give Him wine mixed with myrrh; but He did not take it.


Mat 27:48 Immediately one of them ran, and taking a sponge, he filled it with sour wine and put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink.

Mar 15:36 Someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed, and gave Him a drink, saying, “Let us see whether Elijah will come to take Him down.”

Luk 23:36 The soldiers also mocked Him, coming up to Him, offering Him sour wine,

Jhn 19:29 A jar full of sour wine was standing there; so they put a sponge full of the sour wine upon a branch of hyssop and brought it up to His mouth.
Jhn 19:30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Mat 27:34 says Chloē = gall was a bluish-green bitter herb and a sedative, also possibly containing myrrh/wormwood ..

Mar 15:23 says smyrnizō = myrrh, a bitter gum obtained by incisions made in the bark: as an antiseptic it was used for embalming

note: it seems wormwood is another name for myrrh (possibly named by the way it leaks out) and was used for embalming, hence another reason WHY Jesus rejected it as He would be resurrected, as well as the mixure also represented the bitter herbs ..
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As you said Ixoye... the sponge had myrrh/wormwood which besides antiseptic is also to lessen the pain , and Christ did not want to lessen the pain of feeling for all the sins for His sacrifice ...