Can you know your faith before it's tested?

Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you all know a bit about myself and what am I hoping to get out of speaking to other Christians publicly over the internet.

My Christian wife left me about 1.5 years ago for a new relationship, and I've been trying to come to terms with that since then. After I accepted that she wasn't coming back, I went through a time struggling over what that meant for me in terms of seeking out a new relationship as a Christian. I have no kids, and I wanted kids for most of my life, so a lot of my thinking at the time was centred around achieving that goal. A lot of that desperation, anger, grief and anxiety has calmed down for me by now, although I'm not going to tell you I'm "okay." Far from it. Still, I have come to a point of acceptance of being single and childless at 39, and I choose daily to learn to be content with that, and be grateful for what it is, and the freedom and opportunity that state affords me.

Anyway, I must admit that I did not deal with this time in my life especially well. I self-medicated with alcohol quite a lot after a life of never once being drunk, and had to be hospitalised at one point. My faith took a huge hit, because somehow I just decided that my wife's choices meant God didn't care about me, or wasn't real, and I started looking into esoteric/hermetic teaching, because it seemed like an attractive philosophy to have power over my circumstances. I completely lost control over any kind of reasonable sleeping habits, I stopped caring about eating well and I had to leave my work because I couldn't handle the responsibility of a career anymore. That's not the complete list of self-destructive behaviour, but you get the idea -- it was the storm that broke the house built on sand, when the builder thought he'd built on rock.

The most amazing thing that's come of all this is how easy it is to be vulnerable about what I've been through. I used to care so much about what people thought of me as a Christian that I kept all my struggles to myself. I would have felt too much shame to be vulnerable. If I'd learned that lesson earlier - to turn to other Christians for support instead of needing to appear like I was keeping it all together - perhaps I could have saved my marriage in the first place.

Now I can look back at all this and not beat myself up about it all, because this has all been an incredible learning experience for me. I learned that my faith was not nearly as secure as I thought it was, and was somehow dependent on the choices of other people in my life. I learned that while I thought I was very accepting of people, I was actually far more judgemental than I thought I was, and I have far more empathy for people who are struggling now. I also experienced confrontation to the ideas (conscious of otherwise) I had about what added substance and meaning to life, and I've had to rethink my approach to daily living and long-term goals. I've still been left with more questions than answers, but I am content that those questions are important and necessary ones, and they give me direction to seek out a life that's rich and rewarding, and will lead to a depth and intimacy in my relationship with God that I wouldn't have otherwise considered possible.

Well, not to ramble on for too long, I hope that this forum can be one of the spaces in my life where I can speak with Christians about practical Christian living and share the ways we're all experiencing struggles, and preparing ourselves for the struggles that are yet to come.
 
Hello Caffinated Kolala,

Thank you for sharing your experiences of life, it is nice to meet you.

Have been a loner most of my life, my mother always constantly worked two job. Seems as though she was hardly around in my early life growing up. Had met friends off and on through out life but never seemed to be able to ever keep those relationships though there are still a few that are had sometimes. God is a big help and part of my life now, and try to focus on Him most of the time.

When first coming to God though was very judgmental towards others though grown out of that now. People cussing or saying whatever they desire doesn't really bother me as much. Once you realize we are all broken and and in need of a Saviour life becomes a little bit more bearable how ever you gotta make the choice of will decide to make a choice by my fleshly ways, or the spiritual ways.

Many times in life have been that of the fleshly ways. Fights with my mother, Fights with my Brother, Fights with friends, and girlfriends, a lot of anger and hatred stimmed a lot from a life of no guidance, and always being alone and not really knowing God or His Son Jesus Christ. Drugs was a big part of my life, along with sexual interactions, and what not for the longest time. Which spanned over a good 5 to 6 year period after hitting around the age of 24, was spent using drugs. This year am 30 and first year not using any drugs, anymore. Thank God He has helped deliver me from that, as well as seeking porngraphy.

If you can get a grasp on all of this ; am a still a product of what was once my surroundings - mainly being alone, staying to myself, very handicapped in the field of socialization skills to some degree, the only thing good going on in life right now is that God is here, and the Lord Jesus Christ is here with me. Desire to have a wife one day never been married or had children either.

What are you doing with your own life now?
What are some of your long-term goals ?
What are some of your daily life goals ?
What do those things mean to you ?
 
What are you doing with your own life now?
What are some of your long-term goals ?
What are some of your daily life goals ?
What do those things mean to you ?
Wow, thanks for sharing all that Matthew, it's really good to hear what God's been leading you toward.

At the moment, I'm taking a step back before I decide what to be "doing" with my life. I read a book called A Second Touch by Keith Miller that helped me rethink my worldview in terms of life goals... living in the space where God has put you, focusing on individuals around you. So I guess when most people ask the question "what are you doing with your life," they're talking about your job or whatever. What I'm doing with my life right now is learning to live in the space where God has put me, and practice gratitude and contentment.

I guess that actually pretty well summarises my daily goals and long-term goals as well, come to think of it: get out of the habit of living to plan for retirement, and get into the habit of living for God today. The minutia of what that actually looks like for me right now is establishing healthy routines and mindset (be transformed by the renewal of your mind). It's not super exciting or anything, but it works if I keep at it.
 
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Glad to meet you CaffeinatedKoala and nice to learn something about your experience in life with God. Like you I have come to know much more about faith through the trials God has allowed in my life.

I also lost my first wife who decided to end our marriage after three short years. That was over 30 years ago now. I remember that was a difficult time where I spent much time alone, but I did have Christian friends. Can't say though that I learned that much about faith at that time though.

I learned a great deal about faith though in a trial 10 years ago. I nearly lost everything at that time. Unfortunately it was mostly trouble of my own making. God though knew what he was doing though as he was shaking me to attention and showing me the right path. I was given a lot of time for intense prayer, study and mediation in humble circumstances. In the beginning I sought to die, my thought at the time was at least my wife would have the life insurance money to live on.

Instead God showed me the way of faith more clearly. At first in just words and God's grace. In time though God revealed the way of escape from this trial, but required that I act in faith for four years before that escape way of escape was implemented. Along the way though I discovered a way of faith I had experienced before in my Christian life as I drew closer to God and trusted God for nearly everything. From a distance I learned that God was providing for my wife and was supported by true friends, which comforted me.

To this day, the lessons I learned have helped me greatly in this Christian walk. The trial was a painful lesson, but the instruction was a wonderful treasure that God used to teach a valuable spiritual lesson and way of life.
 
First off, welcome to the forum caffeinated koala. Glad to have you here in fellowship as He guides us through our trials and blessings.

I had similar experience here. Relationship breakdown, drink, drugs, hermetics/ magick, as coping methods.... which eventually led me to the Christian Faith and learning how to live with and get through all the mess that I mostly created that I didn’t want to deal with.

I used to beat myself up about it all, what I learned through it all was that it’s vital about being honest with myself and others even when it hurts and when I became honest with myself and others that’s when the door opened and helped me see life is not as scary as it once seemed. It might be tough, but I can always rely on Gods guidance and Love which makes things so much more easier to bear.
Hope that makes sense.
 
Wow, thanks for sharing all that Matthew, it's really good to hear what God's been leading you toward.

At the moment, I'm taking a step back before I decide what to be "doing" with my life. I read a book called A Second Touch by Keith Miller that helped me rethink my worldview in terms of life goals... living in the space where God has put you, focusing on individuals around you. So I guess when most people ask the question "what are you doing with your life," they're talking about your job or whatever. What I'm doing with my life right now is learning to live in the space where God has put me, and practice gratitude and contentment.

I guess that actually pretty well summarises my daily goals and long-term goals as well, come to think of it: get out of the habit of living to plan for retirement, and get into the habit of living for God today. The minutia of what that actually looks like for me right now is establishing healthy routines and mindset (be transformed by the renewal of your mind). It's not super exciting or anything, but it works if I keep at it.

Hello again CaffeinatedKoala,

Today has been a difficult day, been trying to search in all of the world just for a woman to talk to. Been by myself all day aside from visiting my mother this morning. Have to go to work tomorrow. With wandering the barren wastelands of the internet, and infinite amount of information, as well endless streams of human beings doing what they do. Decided to turn everything off for a moment and rest and reset my mind and wrote down a prayer to God to tell him what was going on with me ; which was basically running away from him and seeking the interactions of others, especially of someone to talk to of the female kind. Sometimes feel as though am inadequate for use of being marriage material though hope one day for a wife and a family.

Believe that in life it is good to be honest with each other, forgive each other and their faults when they do something wrong, and to encourage and work together with one another and build each other in their relationship, along with also learning amongst each other about their past and what they have been through because if you do not have an understanding of ones past there is no real understanding of who that person really is and where they came from and why they are the way that the are.

This life is difficult, and some people in their life the family members they love are possibly sick and dying, and it seems hopeless and sometimes people can get frustrated if God doesn't heal them in their situations. For me Do not believe God heals our body for it is going to decay and die, not to say that he can not cause miracles however when it comes down to a reality stand point our bodies will corrupt and die. Though there is good news to that, because we will resurrect into new incorruptible spiritual bodies that God will give to us after our life ends here.

And we are rewarded based on our Love - and boy am I far away from perfect.

Very glad to know you are going to try and start learning how to be content with the present moment as it is, as you can see my wandering let me to a very high heated stroked filled desert wasteland of looking at the mass scope of people there are in this world to try to chat with, who all have individual lives, families, past lives, and future goals they are striving to reach.

Please focus on God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, for they are a main priority though we will always try to go off course and try to find our happiness and contentment in others but really we should always seek in the riches in what God gives because he always supplies us in our needs, according to the riches of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank your your time and reading.

A Second Touch by Keith Miller what have you learned from this man and what was he has written in this book?
 
First off, welcome to the forum caffeinated koala. Glad to have you here in fellowship as He guides us through our trials and blessings.

I had similar experience here. Relationship breakdown, drink, drugs, hermetics/ magick, as coping methods.... which eventually led me to the Christian Faith and learning how to live with and get through all the mess that I mostly created that I didn’t want to deal with.

I used to beat myself up about it all, what I learned through it all was that it’s vital about being honest with myself and others even when it hurts and when I became honest with myself and others that’s when the door opened and helped me see life is not as scary as it once seemed. It might be tough, but I can always rely on Gods guidance and Love which makes things so much more easier to bear.
Hope that makes sense.

Hello Via Dolarossa: know you are busy a lot when you have time, here are some questions.

What has been the biggest lesson about being honest with yourself helped you in your life when it comes to your relationship with God?

How through your life were you able to stop beating your self up when it came to those times when extreme lows came? (you remind me of my coming down on drugs, or when saying something and thinking someone would reject me because of whatever it was, would talk back with myself saying I am dumb, or I need to kill myself)

What do you mean when it comes to being honest with others, in what type of situations? All of them regardless of their feelings?

Are there any scriptures you like to personally go to that help you in your life now today that you would consider reading daily?
 
Glad to meet you CaffeinatedKoala and nice to learn something about your experience in life with God. Like you I have come to know much more about faith through the trials God has allowed in my life.

I also lost my first wife who decided to end our marriage after three short years. That was over 30 years ago now. I remember that was a difficult time where I spent much time alone, but I did have Christian friends. Can't say though that I learned that much about faith at that time though.

I learned a great deal about faith though in a trial 10 years ago. I nearly lost everything at that time. Unfortunately it was mostly trouble of my own making. God though knew what he was doing though as he was shaking me to attention and showing me the right path. I was given a lot of time for intense prayer, study and mediation in humble circumstances. In the beginning I sought to die, my thought at the time was at least my wife would have the life insurance money to live on.

Instead God showed me the way of faith more clearly. At first in just words and God's grace. In time though God revealed the way of escape from this trial, but required that I act in faith for four years before that escape way of escape was implemented. Along the way though I discovered a way of faith I had experienced before in my Christian life as I drew closer to God and trusted God for nearly everything. From a distance I learned that God was providing for my wife and was supported by true friends, which comforted me.

To this day, the lessons I learned have helped me greatly in this Christian walk. The trial was a painful lesson, but the instruction was a wonderful treasure that God used to teach a valuable spiritual lesson and way of life.

Hello Cperkins,

What happened 10 years ago that really put you and your faith to the test to make it through and trust God?

What did God show you through the experience you made is through?

What were some of the valuable Lessons that God taught you? (same question as above?)

Did you realize a lot about yourself that you did not know at first when God really opened up your eyes?

Are there some scriptures that you enjoy going back to still to this day that help you ?

Do you often reflect on what God pulled you out of to remind you of yourself and where you came from with the help of God?
 
Hello Via Dolarossa: know you are busy a lot when you have time, here are some questions.

What has been the biggest lesson about being honest with yourself helped you in your life when it comes to your relationship with God?

It’s about asking the right questions. And then that if I’m not truthful, I end up stuck and can’t move forward in life


How through your life were you able to stop beating your self up when it came to those times when extreme lows came? (you remind me of my coming down on drugs, or when saying something and thinking someone would reject me because of whatever it was, would talk back with myself saying I am dumb, or I need to kill myself)
I realised it’s ok to make mistakes and not have it all figured out. We aren’t perfect. But there is this air of perfectionism in our culture to look and be the best, this better than others mentality can be toxic, in that we can fall harder if we don’t measure up.
What do you mean when it comes to being honest with others, in what type of situations? All of them regardless of their feelings?

first I start with being honest with how I feel or believe about someone or a situation..
If I sensed it better to hold back something, for safety reasons , I would. No point in sharing anything with those who would either trash it, or let it loose with some agenda. I think being honest comes with discernment, and respect, amongst other things like courage and wisdom/ knowledge and understanding

Also, it’s about the ways which we are honest. There is timing, and the is seasons. So we need to take into consideration our motives and if it helps a situation or not.


Are there any scriptures you like to personally go to that help you in your life now today that you would consider reading daily?
seeking the kingdom work well for me for a start off. Then usually I move in to see if there is a topic that adresses my particular situation.
 
A Second Touch by Keith Miller what have you learned from this man and what was he has written in this book?

It's Miller's experience in getting out of a mindset where people existed around him, and into a mindset of building relationships with the people around him to be an ambassador for God's kingdom in their lives. He found that through letting Jesus conform his mind in seeing people more like Christ sees them, the people around him became people in his life instead. It's not a theological book or a gimmicky manifesto or anything, it's just his testimony of how God transformed his way of thinking about people.
 
What happened 10 years ago that really put you and your faith to the test to make it through and trust God?
That is something it is best not to share. I can say that I lost my business.

What did God show you through the experience you made is through?
God opened my eyes to understand much of his words more clearly especially what it was to act in faith. I came to know people of a number of faiths and saw the hardships that some others endure. I came to realize the need to learn how to love as well. Love is so much more than saying a few words.

Hello Cperkins,

What were some of the valuable Lessons that God taught you? (same question as above?)
God taught me a great deal about faith. I had very little money during this time and was separated from my wife. In spite of this lack of income and money, God provided sometimes in amazing ways. When I was hungry, I prayed and God provided sometimes God prompted someone to offer to share their meal and other times money came in unexpected. I was offered a Bible shortly after praying for a particular Bible, the Bible was actually better than I asked, it was necessary to wait for it's arrival, but it was a wonderful gift at the time that matched my request for a Key Word Study Bible.

Mostly I learned that I lacked faith and God showed me how to act in faith and I saw the need for change in other areas of my life as well.

Hello Cperkins,

Did you realize a lot about yourself that you did not know at first when God really opened up your eyes?
The biggest thing I came to realize was how much I needed God in my life and how valuable time spent with God was to spiritual growth and understanding.

Are there some scriptures that you enjoy going back to still to this day that help you ?
I collected many scriptures during this time, that I referred to often.
Prov 13:10
Prov 28:9
Eze 14:3
Ps 84:11
Prov 28:25
Ps 34
Ps 66:18
and many others that I wrote in the blank pages of my Bible


Do you often reflect on what God pulled you out of to remind you of yourself and where you came from with the help of God?
I know all to well where I was and God has cleansed me. I don't dwell on that time now, though periodically I'm reminded because society doesn't forget.
 
Sometimes feel as though am inadequate for use of being marriage material though hope one day for a wife and a family.
Everyone falls short, it’s to be celebrated. Looking on the net these days, all we see if perfect profiles....and so the women you meet will not be good enough either.
Better to be inadequate and real than better than and fake if you ask me.
 
It's Miller's experience in getting out of a mindset where people existed around him, and into a mindset of building relationships with the people around him to be an ambassador for God's kingdom in their lives. He found that through letting Jesus conform his mind in seeing people more like Christ sees them, the people around him became people in his life instead. It's not a theological book or a gimmicky manifesto or anything, it's just his testimony of how God transformed his way of thinking about people.

That seems very helpful.

Believe you shared in your last post a few scriptural bases of this mind change.

Some Scriptures would offer you is:

Romans12: 2 Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.

Romans 12:18 : If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

Note ~ This is a letter to the Thessalonians and some of the scriptures here are pertaining to them then however: This shows you God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

1 Thess 5
: 13 Hold them in the highest regard in love because of their work. Live in peace with each other.

14 And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone.

15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong, but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else.

16 Rejoice always,

17 pray continually,

18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

19 Do not quench the Spirit.

20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt

21 but test them all; hold on to what is good,

22 reject every kind of evil. (Evil here means maliciousness in your heart)

23 May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

24 The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it.

25 Brothers and sisters, pray for us.

26 Greet all God’s people with a holy kiss.

27 I charge you before the Lord to have this letter read to all the brothers and sisters.

28 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you.


1 Timothy 2: 2 First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people,

2 for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way.

3 This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior,

4 who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man[a] Christ Jesus,

6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

7 For this I was appointed a preacher and an apostle (I am telling the truth, I am not lying), a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth. (Paul writing to timothy)

Philippians 4:11 Not that I am speaking of being in need, for I have learned in whatever situation I am to be content. (Paul speaking to the philippians who helped him in his time of need)
 
That is something it is best not to share. I can say that I lost my business.


God opened my eyes to understand much of his words more clearly especially what it was to act in faith. I came to know people of a number of faiths and saw the hardships that some others endure. I came to realize the need to learn how to love as well. Love is so much more than saying a few words.


God taught me a great deal about faith. I had very little money during this time and was separated from my wife. In spite of this lack of income and money, God provided sometimes in amazing ways. When I was hungry, I prayed and God provided sometimes God prompted someone to offer to share their meal and other times money came in unexpected. I was offered a Bible shortly after praying for a particular Bible, the Bible was actually better than I asked, it was necessary to wait for it's arrival, but it was a wonderful gift at the time that matched my request for a Key Word Study Bible.

Mostly I learned that I lacked faith and God showed me how to act in faith and I saw the need for change in other areas of my life as well.


The biggest thing I came to realize was how much I needed God in my life and how valuable time spent with God was to spiritual growth and understanding.


I collected many scriptures during this time, that I referred to often.
Prov 13:10
Prov 28:9
Eze 14:3
Ps 84:11
Prov 28:25
Ps 34
Ps 66:18
and many others that I wrote in the blank pages of my Bible



I know all to well where I was and God has cleansed me. I don't dwell on that time now, though periodically I'm reminded because society doesn't forget.

Thank you for sharing a bit more about yourself, and it is true when it is said as humans we can not do it alone, we need the bread of life, and to drink from the everlasting waters.
 
I realised it’s ok to make mistakes and not have it all figured out. We aren’t perfect. But there is this air of perfectionism in our culture to look and be the best, this better than others mentality can be toxic, in that we can fall harder if we don’t measure up.


first I start with being honest with how I feel or believe about someone or a situation..
If I sensed it better to hold back something, for safety reasons , I would. No point in sharing anything with those who would either trash it, or let it loose with some agenda. I think being honest comes with discernment, and respect, amongst other things like courage and wisdom/ knowledge and understanding

Also, it’s about the ways which we are honest. There is timing, and the is seasons. So we need to take into consideration our motives and if it helps a situation or not.



seeking the kingdom work well for me for a start off. Then usually I move in to see if there is a topic that adresses my particular situation.

Thank you for sharing a bit more, believe it is good thing to be completely honest and real with oneself, especially when it comes to understanding no one in this life is perfect, and we are all in need of a saviour thank God he sent the Lord Jesus Christ to come and help us. Even in discernments.
 
Hello and welcome.

In response to the question can you know your faith before it's tested, I'll say no, you really can't - and often you can't really know yourself either. The insights provided through tribulations amaze me, truly...

I don't think anyone leaves this life without some scars, but Christ heals us when we let him... :)
 
Thank you for sharing a bit more about yourself, and it is true when it is said as humans we can not do it alone, we need the bread of life, and to drink from the everlasting waters.

Feel free to read this thread if you want to learn more.
 
can you know your faith before its tested...good question
Well. I think Jesus was tempted three times in the wilderness and really was tested but came out of it knowing He truly belonged to God not Satan.

Prior to that I guess he just grew up in his Jewish family and everyone else assumed he was religious like they were I suppose.
After he was baptised it was just full on ministry for him - he didn't look back.

You might have moments where you question, but I think for most part generally after baptism (for most new christians) it marks a turning point and then you get called by God to do His work. Satan is going to throw all kinds of things at you to try and get you off track. But like Job the trial and suffering is meant to test your faith and its for you to be refined - if we weren't tested then how do you even know you have faith?

Everything up until then I would think is your discipleship - your training.
 

John 16:12-15 ESV​

“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you things to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

Maybe this is off topic, but I wanted to throw this one out anyway.

The question, "can we know out faith before it's tested", has had me remembering something odd that happened to me, and I recall the above verse to try and make sense of it. Make of it what you will.

When I go to work, I get the train, and I have no doubt I am doing the right thing by boarding it. I expect I will arrive at work safely. Thank God, that up to now I have arrived safely and continue to do so. and so does everyone else.

Now one day, I boarded a train, and got an uneasy feeling, I felt something bad was to happen...it was quite a eerie feeling something was not right. I can't explain this feeling, except I was feeling weird about being in London at that time. I had no reason to believe I shouldn't be on that train. I wasn't doing anything I shouldn't. At least from a moral perspective.

So, I took note of it, and carried on as normal. Coming back from London, I jumped on my train, and heard that an incident had happened where I was a few hours earlier. a terror attack had happened, people were killed. And if it had happened a few hours earlier I would have been there on that bridge at that same point.

I always wondered why I had an uneasy feeling on the train that day, and have been on a train so many times in my life, but nothing ever entered my conscience like that before. I can only say, that I take note of things like that ever since.

good questions and thank you CK
 
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