Captive but Blameless!

“Walking in the Spirit” is something that is considered by God a permanent situation for those who are His. Even though believers still sin, they are termed walking in the Spirit because it’s what they always desire. Like Apostle Paul we never desire to sin, but we realize this is not possible, for the sin nature yet indwells.

Rom 7:14 – “For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.” I believe God allowed the sin nature, i.e. “old man” to indwell within the believer to continue to learn His holiness, and also continue to exercise faith in Christ’s expiation for our sin from its often guilt-accused approaches!

“Whereas, when Paul speaks of his unregenerate state, and how it was with him under the first convictions of sin, he speaks of them as things past, Romans 7:5; besides, several things which are said by the apostle can neither agree with him, nor any other, but as regenerate; such as to "hate evil," "delight in the law of God," and "serve it with the mind," Romans 7:15. Moreover, the distinctions between flesh and spirit, the inward and the outward man, and the struggle there is between them, are to be found in none but regenerate persons; and to say no more, the thanksgiving for deliverance from sin by Christ can only come from such.” -John Gill

Rom. 7:15 - “For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do (does not want to sin), that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do” (it’s not like Paul never practiced holiness but still sinned at times, same as any believer).

Rom. 7:16 – “If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good (another evidence that Paul did not want to sin).

Rom. 7:17 – “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.” Believers “are not in the flesh,” i.e. not seeking after the sin nature, but after walking in the Spirit. The fact that believers desire to be after the Spirit releases them from guilt of the sin that “captivates” them, and are considered blameless.

Rom. 7:23 - “But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.” Paul is admitting that the indwelling sin nature is causing him to sin. This sounds like bondage but it’s a “captivity” to the sin nature, because it is against the nature of a believer.

Hence, the believer is considered always walking in the Spirit. One either walks in the Spirit or in the flesh; you cannot do both. What we desire is always what the Father desires, because He “works this in you” (Phl 2:13).

-NC
 
Hello netchaplain;

Your last teachings have given me food for thought. In Captive but Blameless, when we're walking in the Spirit, doesn't this include when we catch ourselves in sin?

Would that mean we do both, walking in the Spirit and walking in the flesh?

God bless
you, Bob.

Bob
 
Hello netchaplain;

Your last teachings have given me food for thought. In Captive but Blameless, when we're walking in the Spirit, doesn't this include when we catch ourselves in sin?

Would that mean we do both, walking in the Spirit and walking in the flesh?

God bless
you, Bob.

Bob
Bob, I don't believe you can do both at the same time because "to walk" is to behave in some fashion habitually. Occasional, non-deliberate sin doesn't make one a "walker" in the flesh; it just makes one human. If one continues in sin, walking in the flesh, the beginning of Psalm One shows the danger of that behavior by laying out the progressive nature of reprobation.
 
In Captive but Blameless, when we're walking in the Spirit, doesn't this include when we catch ourselves in sin?
Hi Brother Bob, I sure do appreciate you in all these messages! When a believer sins it's never intentional; and it's whether it's willful or not. I like your question about "catching ourselves in sin," because when we do we are discouraged about it and come to understand we did not want to do it.
Would that mean we do both, walking in the Spirit and walking in the flesh?
Christians do not walk after the flesh, because the Spirit is causing us to desire against, it by showing us its evil; thus we would have to desire to walk after the old man to say we are walking in it. To walk after something means you desire to follow it. We never want to desire sin anymore.
 
Bob, I don't believe you can do both at the same time because "to walk" is to behave in some fashion habitually. Occasional, non-deliberate sin doesn't make one a "walker" in the flesh; it just makes one human. If one continues in sin, walking in the flesh, the beginning of Psalm One shows the danger of that behavior by laying out the progressive nature of reprobation.
Hi Brother Bob, I sure do appreciate you in all these messages! When a believer sins it's never intentional; and it's whether it's willful or not. I like your question about "catching ourselves in sin," because when we do we are discouraged about it and come to understand we did not want to do it.

Christians do not walk after the flesh, because the Spirit is causing us to desire against, it by showing us its evil; thus we would have to desire to walk after the old man to say we are walking in it. To walk after something means you desire to follow it. We never want to desire sin anymore.

Good morning, BibleLover and netchaplain;

What you both are saying is we cannot walk in the Spirit and the flesh simultaneously which would be a contradiction.

I need to reword my question. Our walk in the Spirit is an ongoing internal battle (temptation, festering, reacting) between spirit and flesh. I believe our Spirit empowers us over our flesh and makes a way for us to walk away from sin.

Turn that around, if a sinner lives in habitual sin, that person is not empowered to overcome but only by the grace and deliverance from God.

God bless you, brothers.

Bob
 
What you both are saying is we cannot walk in the Spirit and the flesh simultaneously which would be a contradiction.
It's my understanding that a believer cannot ever again walk in the flesh. To walk in the flesh means to intentionally or willfully live in sin. When we sin it's not considered walking in sin because this is never our will or desire.

I need to reword my question. Our walk in the Spirit is an ongoing internal battle (temptation, festering, reacting) between spirit and flesh. I believe our Spirit empowers us over our flesh and makes a way for us to walk away from sin.
In the passage (Gal 5:17) it shows that it's the Spirit that opposes the sin nature, but we can only address our desires against it, like Paul showed he was a "captive" by the sin nature. We can only notice it and plan against it while the Spirit causes us to always desire against it.
 
It's my understanding that a believer cannot ever again walk in the flesh. To walk in the flesh means to intentionally or willfully live in sin. When we sin it's not considered walking in sin because this is never our will or desire.


In the passage (Gal 5:17) it shows that it's the Spirit that opposes the sin nature, but we can only address our desires against it, like Paul showed he was a "captive" by the sin nature. We can only notice it and plan against it while the Spirit causes us to always desire against it.

Hello netchaplain;

I hear what you're saying, I agree, and strive to remain what the Scriptures teach daily with Christ. However, I'm asking you to see the struggles that many believers endure. We can't dismiss them with reason because they either follow or don't follow what this discussion is about.

But it happens. Though God's promises of eternity is secure, our walk in the Spirit is an ongoing internal battle (temptation, festering, reacting) between spirit and flesh.

We are not immune from vulnerability and weakness, therefore, we need to constantly pray for one another because any of us can fail to walk by the Spirit, lose focus and fall into sin, loss of focus desperately in need for restoration. This is what I'm alluding to.

The Scriptures you share in your opening thread make point of this.

In the meantime, we are to Praise God daily for those who remain steadfast in prayer, study of the Word and strive to walk in obedience and in the Spirit. We just can't forget those who struggle.

God bless you, Bob.

Bob
 
Hello netchaplain;

I hear what you're saying, I agree, and strive to remain what the Scriptures teach daily with Christ. However, I'm asking you to see the struggles that many believers endure. We can't dismiss them with reason because they either follow or don't follow what this discussion is about.
True, we keep every saint in our prayers, which has no reference to this or any article, which is just for learning to grow in Christ
We are not immune from vulnerability and weakness, therefore, we need to constantly pray for one another because any of us can fail to walk by the Spirit, lose focus and fall into sin, loss of focus desperately in need for restoration. This is what I'm alluding to.
It's the Holy Spirit Who does the battling for us. Enemies have to deal with the Spirit, not directly to believers. I believe we can only watch and learn and understand what we are to know is His part in this war.

You have a good spirit towards those in need of spiritual guidance! True believers need to read more of Paul's Epistles to understand growth in Christ, which is needed by all saints!
 
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