Cause And Effect

So then let me ask the question, do you see the pattern? If so, why would there be one if what God spoke to Abraham didn't also apply to Israel today? There's another pattern concerning 9 av.

I think we can see a pattern in just about anything if we look hard enough. However, I don't believe that's the issue. I believe the issue is on what basis do we take a statement made to Abraham and apply it to all of Israel. After the Jews rejected Christ God scattered them and destroyed their city. They are still in exile. Modern Israel doesn't follow God so why would God bless those who bless Israel?
 
I agree, Roads, about those who accept Christ are party to the promise God made to Abraham. But I would also say that the promise to Abraham was made to all his seed. There are numerous times that Israel - the Jews, did not follow God's will, and they paid for it throughout history, but He has never abandoned them and I think there are many prophecies made yet to come that will bring them back thru Christ. Many of the first Christians were Jews (not to mention Christ) so not all Jews rejected Christ. They are God's chosen that produced Christ and I don't believe He is done with them yet. And God keeps His promises.

I'm not sure about Abdicates linking of events. You say because a politician says - but politicians are a representative of government. And government seems to do what they will without consent from it's people. And always it is the people who will suffer for wrong actions. In the past, Israel's people suffered for their leaders leading them wrong too. Personally, I am for a US that supports present day Israel - but not because of any possible curse that may be a consequence.
 

MichaelH

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I think we can see a pattern in just about anything if we look hard enough. However, I don't believe that's the issue. I believe the issue is on what basis do we take a statement made to Abraham and apply it to all of Israel. After the Jews rejected Christ God scattered them and destroyed their city. They are still in exile. Modern Israel doesn't follow God so why would God bless those who bless Israel?

Israel is under election, that is why.

how many patterns have we seen through the years? Just recently a big to do about Blood moons. The end comes when the gospel is preached all over the World. We are not there yet.
 
I think we can see a pattern in just about anything if we look hard enough. However, I don't believe that's the issue. I believe the issue is on what basis do we take a statement made to Abraham and apply it to all of Israel. After the Jews rejected Christ God scattered them and destroyed their city. They are still in exile. Modern Israel doesn't follow God so why would God bless those who bless Israel?
Because, unlike the false replacement theology, they are God's chosen people. They didn't obtain because of the lack of faith and we were grafted in, they are the natural tree. God is not done with them. Read Romans 9-11.
 
Israel is under election, that is why.

how many patterns have we seen through the years? Just recently a big to do about Blood moons. The end comes when the gospel is preached all over the World. We are not there yet.
It will happen...

Revelation 14:6-7 (KJV)
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Just not by us...
 
Another 1/2 cent: The Bible is inspired by God but darn near the whole thing - OT and new - was written by Jews. They are our spiritual parents, and as such deserve our honor and respect. Seems like there is a commandment about that.:)

While I believe supporting Israel is the right thing, isn't it unwise to connect natural catastrophes with words said against them? It is unlikely to change minds set against them and only seems another flimsy excuse to blame Jews. Or worse - God. I'm just wondering.

I do see a pattern, tho and can see what Abdicate is trying to say.
 

BalooU

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Premiss:
Genesis 12:3 (KJV)
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

  1. So, in the news, read about governmental actions against Israel's government.
  2. Look for natural events that occur within 48 hours of those statements
That's it. I've laid out some of what I found. I have gigabyte of articles showing cause and effect with the EU, UK, Australia, Spain and the U.S. and I know there are more, but I don't have the means to read other languages.

Here are some examples:

Moore, OK:

  • Sunday May 19, 2013 Kerry to arrive in Israel to push for negotiations (LINK) "... arrive this Tuesday..."
  • Sunday May 19, 2013 Gay Pride march in OKC (LINK) On their FB page they had a photo "Rain never hurt anyone!!! Bring it on!!!" Mocking God. (In OKC 11 miles north of Moore, OK)
  • Tuesday May 21, 2013 Moore OK Oklahoma tornado tears massive path of death, destruction (LINK) Destruction greater than Hiroshima (LINK)
Katrina:
  • 8 Aug 2005: U.S. pressures Israel to pull out of Gaza
  • 15 Aug 2005: Israel begins to pull out of Gaza forcing settlers out
  • 23 Aug 2005: Hurricane Katrina forms
  • 24 Aug 2005: Israeli pullout completes Gaza withdrawal
  • 24 Aug 2005: U.S. pressures Israel to resume roadmap plan
  • 26 Aug 2005: Sharon faces the battle of his political life against Netanyahu
  • 26 Aug 2005: Oil hits a record high at $68/barrel
  • 29 Aug 2005: Katrina hits New Orleans – 28 levees fail (over 50 in the ensuing days)
  • 4 Jan 2006: Ariel Sharon has massive stroke leaving him in a permanent vegetative state and died having never woke up
Gulf Oil Well Explosion:

  • 30 Mar 2010: Netanyahu snubbed at the White House while Obama goes to dinner
  • 10 Apr 2010: Israel will not attend the Obama Nuclear Arms Summit in fears the US will force Israel
  • 19 Apr 2010: Obama and Israel: Showdown at the UN (U.S. will not rubber-stamp a veto on non-Israeli friendly votes)
  • 20 Apr 2010: Israel warns of a nuclear race in the Middle East is Iran is allowed to have the bomb
  • 21 Apr 2010: US will not attack Iran on nuclear issue, leaves Israel to make a unilateral decision, which without US support will fail
  • 21 Apr 2010: US to allow a nuclear Iran
  • 21 Apr 2010: Oil Rig explodes off coast of Louisiana, 11 killed
  • 29 Apr 2010: Obama warns Israel and PA to do nothing to stop peace process
  • 29 Apr 2010: Gulf Oil slick: Businesses Brace for the worse
  • 29 Apr 2010: Oil Slick makes landfall
Bridgeport, CN Tornado:

  • 21 Jun 2010: US angry with the continued building in East Jerusalem
  • 22 Jun 2010: Israel's feeling of isolation is becoming more pronounced
  • 24 Jun 2010: Obama calls Gaza situation ‘unsustainable’
  • 24 Jun 2010: A 100-yard-wide tornado with winds of at least 100 mph rips through Bridgeport, Conn's largest city, causing massive damage
Outbreak of Tornadoes in U.S. History (at that time):
  • 4-5 April 2011: Massive wind damage
  • 9 April 2011: Iowa supercells!
  • 10 April 2011: "Northwoods" tornadoes
  • 12 April 2011: U.S. plans new push on Arab-Israeli peace: Clinton
  • 12 April 2011: Obama to recognise Palestinian state with '67 borders
  • 12 April 2011: Top White House aide delivers personal Obama letter to Saudi king
  • 13 April 2011: Obama Bans Weapons Sales To Israel, Sells Billions In Arms To Arab States
  • 14 April 2011: Day 1 of three-day siege
  • 15 April 2011: Dixie Alley nightmare
  • 16 April 2011: Carolinas, Virginia crushed
  • 19-20 April 2011: Midwest, South outbreak
  • 22 April 2011: St. Louis tornado
  • 25 April 2011: Arkansas ambush
  • 26 April 2011: Deja Vu
  • 27 April 2011: Southeast Devastation
  • 18 April 2011: Storms launched 241 twisters over 14 states, killing at least 44 people from Oklahoma to North Carolina.
UN Flooded - Hurricane Sandy:
  • 22 October 2012 Hurricane Sandy formed
  • 24, 25 October 2012: Sixty-seventh General Assembly, Third Committee, 24th & 25th Meetings
  • 25 October 2012: UN expert calls for boycott of all Israeli occupied territory goods
  • 27 October 2012: Sandy re-intensified into a hurricane and makes sudden "left" turn
  • 29 October 2012: Reaching its second peak strength Hurricane Sady (Second-costliest hurricane in US history) hits NYC/NJ
  • 31 October 2012: U.N. Security Council relocates due to storm damage
  • 1 November 2012: UN management chief says UN headquarters suffered 'unprecedented damage' from Superstorm Sandy
Australia "Biblical" Flooding:
  • 14 Dec 2010: Prime Minister Kevin Rudd of Australia (born in Nambour, Queesnland) in Jerusalem urging Israel to open all its nuclear facilities to UN inspectors
  • 15 Dec 2010: Australia backs Palestinian refugees and Palestinian state
  • 2 Jan 2011: Australia flooding of 'biblical proportions' slashes coal, agriculture exports - The flooding in northeastern Queensland covers an area the size of France and Germany combined, with at least 22 towns cut off or flooded. Authorities are saying that more than 200,000 people are affected, according to the Associated Press.
  • 17 Jan 2011: Floods 'Worst Disaster In Australian History'-- Kevin Rudd's hometown of West End,
    a suburb of Brisbane, was flooded
  • 3 Feb 2011: Australia Cyclone Yasi roars into Queensland (storm is the size of 3/4 the United States)
Hurricane Bonnie:
  • 23 July 2010: U.S. upgrades diplomatic ties with Palestinians in bid to woo Abbas
  • 24 July 2010: Effects were more severe from the remnants of Bonnie, with heavier rain amounts and higher winds reported near the Gulf Coast, especially in Louisiana. Damage as a result of the storm and its remnants totaled $1.5 million
Norway:
  • 17 July 2011: Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas (L) and Norwegian Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Stoere attend a news conference in Oslo
  • 22 July 2011: Norway FM Jonas Gahr Stoere Called for Palestinian State At Youth Camp
  • 23 July 2011: 91 Killed in Norway Island Massacre at Youth Camp, and a Capital Blast
Texas Tornado:
  • 3 Apr 2012: Obama Blaming Israel for Rising Fuel Prices
  • 3 Apr 2012: Texas suffers more than 800 homes and businesses damaged in tornado swarm
Chile 6.3 Earthquake:
  • 6 March 2011, 11:48 AM: President Piñera tells Netanyahu 'Palestinians have the right for a free and democratic state. You mustn't miss the opportunity for peace.'
  • 6 March 2011, 2:59 PM: Magnitude 6.3 quake hits northern Chile
Japan Tsunami (Pattern of buildup of wrath to the day!):
  • 11 Mar 2010: To the U.N.: Japan deplores the decisions of Israel to build 1600 homes in E. Jerusalem
  • 11 Jan 2011: To the U.N.: Japan strongly condemns the demolishing of the Shepherd’s Hotel in E. Jerusalem to build homes for the Jewish people
  • 8 Feb 2011: Japan welcomes the series of economic measures to support the PA and the Gaza strip
  • 10 Feb 2011: Japan is concerned about the municipal of Jerusalem's planning committee in permitting more housing units in E. Jerusalem
  • 11 Mar 2011: Widespread destruction from Japan earthquake, tsunamis
Germany:
  • 7 Apr 2011: Pressure Iran, Netanyahu tells Merkel but she emphasises a two-state solution
  • 8 Apr 2011: Freak sandstorm causes deadly accident in north-eastern Germany killing 8, injuring 60
Kerry:
  • 4 Jan 2014: Palestinian red lines make chances of US-mediated settlement slim
  • 5 Jan 2014: Kerry gains Arab backing for framework peace plan
  • 5 Jan 2014: Hospital says Ariel Sharon fighting for his life
  • 6 Jan 2014: Kerry leaves region after 5-day visit empty handed
  • 6 Jan 2014: JetBlue suspends operations
  • 7 Jan 2014: -15 recorded at O'Hare at 7 a.m. breaks existing low set on this date in 1894 and 1988
  • 11 Jan 2014: Ariel Sharon dead (8 years 1 week after going into a coma - 2929 days)
Kerry:
  • 27 Apr 2014: Kerry Warns Israel Could Become ‘An Apartheid State’
  • 27 Apr - 1 May 2014: Tornados every night since 27 Apr with massive flooding

So, from now on, when a disaster occurs, look to see what the authorities did to Israel!

so we can successfully deduce that if ice cream sales rise, it will cause more shark attacks?
 
Another 1/2 cent: The Bible is inspired by God but darn near the whole thing - OT and new - was written by Jews. They are our spiritual parents, and as such deserve our honor and respect. Seems like there is a commandment about that.:)

While I believe supporting Israel is the right thing, isn't it unwise to connect natural catastrophes with words said against them? It is unlikely to change minds set against them and only seems another flimsy excuse to blame Jews. Or worse - God. I'm just wondering.

I do see a pattern, tho and can see what Abdicate is trying to say.
True, I'm not on my computer to look it up, but there's a prophecy about the hearts of the children returning to the father... I have such a desire to learn about them even their flawed beliefs so I can be used to help them. Jesus had to learn all 613 commandments...
 
what are you talking about. what I said is very unrelated to what you posted.
Then why did you quote my post and make the statement? I still think your just an aggitator just by the statement even if it were not directed at me. It was just plain rude without an explenation.
 
Ah Butch, friend, Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness, Abraham is called the father of faith, Paul tells us that all that have the faith of Abraham are his children, ...the just shall live by faith, in faith I believe what God has written concerning His chosen people, ...it's as simple as that.

In answer to your question, God has made a prophecy about His chosen people, Israel, 483 years have already passed, there are 7 that still remain to be accomplished, ..or else God is a liar and it's impossible for Him to lie.

Blessings,

Gene
 

BalooU

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I thought it was needed to be said to demonstrate God being the always in control and is the one in power at all times. hes the one that made if the ice cream sales rise, so will the shark attacks. God is the one that made ice cream have the reaction to human and when humans are near sharks, human tend to be bitten. There was a study done how ice cream make the human more tastier to sharks.

i am sorry for being rude for telling you how I think God is all powerful. Thats all I was saying.
 

BalooU

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and yes. I do agree with God fulfilling the prophecies. and shouldnt be blaming israel for anything. God will protect his people at all times.
 

BalooU

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Then why did you quote my post and make the statement? I still think your just an aggitator just by the statement even if it were not directed at me. It was just plain rude without an explenation.

im sorry for telling you how powerful I think your god is? i know that God is the that creates everything and he tajes care of all his creation. I was just praising God. If you think me praising god is rude, i wont praise God anymore.
 
im sorry for telling you how powerful I think your god is? i know that God is the that creates everything and he tajes care of all his creation. I was just praising God. If you think me praising god is rude, i wont praise God anymore.
You're making no sense at all...
 
True, I'm not on my computer to look it up, but there's a prophecy about the hearts of the children returning to the father... I have such a desire to learn about them even their flawed beliefs so I can be used to help them. Jesus had to learn all 613 commandments...
@Silk I found it i think... Malachi 4:6
 
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