Christ's Second Coming And Timing Of The Rapture?

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Caught up in the air, it says nothing about going to Heaven. Are red flags going up yet? No passage has stated anything about going to heaven, that idea has been inferred.
We will meet the Lord in the air and go with Him to heaven to the Marriage of the Lamb. Heaven comes down to us, eventually. In the meantime, we will be ruling with Him in the earthly Millennial Kingdom of Christ.

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
 
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Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him FROM THE WRATH OF GOD.


Boom. Done.
 
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Or, you could provide a "single" passage of Scripture that says the church won't be here.
The Church is not even mentioned after Revelation 3:22.

Because at this time the World would most definitely need us here, we are not. If we were present then gospel, and brother and many other of our language would be present, even the word church would be mentioned many times. We don't come back in the picture until Rev 20- After the smoke clears

I can sit here and go through a whole bunch of scripture, but we all believe Post or pre trib based on one root inherent belief.

Some are just afraid, so Pre trib will be believed.
Some feel the church needs pounded and tested by a disobedient angle.......
Some are preterist, and believe it's all past already.
Some believe that Satan can't come with the last push with the anointed church in the way.

Whatever the root belief, just the 5th Trumpet alone sends a mass of things earth has never seen. Jesus said that in Matt 24 (About things this earth never has gone through) and Dan 12 mentions that.

This things are commanded to sting everyone but the 144,000 with the seal of God on their forehead.

If the church is here, then that scripture still must be true and God has to break his word about escaping the wrath to come.

If you examine Matt 24..... Jesus tells us exactly when he returns......... right after the 6 and 7th seal. That 7th seal brings 1/2 hour of silence on the whole earth.... the 6th changes the heavens so much, men will faint or faint because they know who is coming.

Jesus warned those that keep the Sabbath to flee, run those to who are in Judea.

Jesus goes on...... No man know the day or hour, but like the days of Noah. For they say my Lord delays his coming.......... those that call him Lord, are being instructed at this point.

We call him Lord, and the World best hear, it won't be pretty.

If you read through Revelation, not many but a handful survive.

be blessed.
 
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We will meet the Lord in the air and go with Him to heaven to the Marriage of the Lamb. Heaven comes down to us, eventually. In the meantime, we will be ruling with Him in the earthly Millennial Kingdom of Christ.

Revelation 21:2
And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
The passage says nothing about going to heaven with him.
 
Romans 5:9
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him FROM THE WRATH OF GOD.


Boom. Done.
Saved from wrath doesn't mean going to heaven. When God poured out his wrath on the ancient world did He take Noah and his family out of the world? No. When God poured out His wrath on Sodom and Gomorrah did He take Lot and his family out of the world? No. When God poured out His wrath on Pharaoh did He take the Israelites out of the world? No. We can see how God has protected His people when Her pours out His wrath and He's not taken them out of the world before so there's no reason to think He will in the future. We can see in Revelation that they are protected.

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (Rev 14:11-12 KJV)

While the wicked suffer the saints are steadfast.
 
The Church is not even mentioned after Revelation 3:22.

Because at this time the World would most definitely need us here, we are not. If we were present then gospel, and brother and many other of our language would be present, even the word church would be mentioned many times. We don't come back in the picture until Rev 20- After the smoke clears

I can sit here and go through a whole bunch of scripture, but we all believe Post or pre trib based on one root inherent belief.

Some are just afraid, so Pre trib will be believed.
Some feel the church needs pounded and tested by a disobedient angle.......
Some are preterist, and believe it's all past already.
Some believe that Satan can't come with the last push with the anointed church in the way.

Whatever the root belief, just the 5th Trumpet alone sends a mass of things earth has never seen. Jesus said that in Matt 24 (About things this earth never has gone through) and Dan 12 mentions that.

This things are commanded to sting everyone but the 144,000 with the seal of God on their forehead.

If the church is here, then that scripture still must be true and God has to break his word about escaping the wrath to come.

If you examine Matt 24..... Jesus tells us exactly when he returns......... right after the 6 and 7th seal. That 7th seal brings 1/2 hour of silence on the whole earth.... the 6th changes the heavens so much, men will faint or faint because they know who is coming.

Jesus warned those that keep the Sabbath to flee, run those to who are in Judea.

Jesus goes on...... No man know the day or hour, but like the days of Noah. For they say my Lord delays his coming.......... those that call him Lord, are being instructed at this point.

We call him Lord, and the World best hear, it won't be pretty.

If you read through Revelation, not many but a handful survive.

be blessed.
But you're arguing from silence. John doesn't use the word church in his gospel or either of his first two epistles either, would you suggest that 1 and 2 John are not speaking to the church?

After all of these posts no one has presented a single passage of Scripture that says the church is raptured before the tribulation. However, Mathew 24 clearly states that the elect will be gather after the tribulation. There is no mention of old or new testament saints merely the elect. Unless one makes a distinction that is not in the text there is no reason to understand this as anyone other than the elect. It seems pretty clear to me.
 

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But you're arguing from silence. John doesn't use the word church in his gospel or either of his first two epistles either, would you suggest that 1 and 2 John are not speaking to the church?

After all of these posts no one has presented a single passage of Scripture that says the church is raptured before the tribulation. However, Mathew 24 clearly states that the elect will be gather after the tribulation. There is no mention of old or new testament saints merely the elect. Unless one makes a distinction that is not in the text there is no reason to understand this as anyone other than the elect. It seems pretty clear to me.
Well, I did not just mention Church, John speaks a whole lot about loving your brother, God, and speaks about sin, and fellow-shipping. He mentions the Word Church 3 times and the Word love 38 times.

Rev mentions love twice where the church is mentioned and not again. Rev 2:4 Rev 3:19.

Since John speaks much about the Work of believers, none of that is mentioned in from 3:22 onward until the end.

During the tribulation, we most definitely would have been mentioned several times and the preaching of the Gospel. Instead, an angel is sent with "A" gospel. The Angels don't do our job for us, but we are not there.

The Church is not subject to the powers of Darkness no can the gates of hell prevail.
Rev 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

If we were to be the Saints mentioned here, then God violates his own Word and Jesus throws his church to be subject to the enemy. At no time does the Lord give any power to Satan over his body. So, this can't be us.

Matt 24:

Elect simply means chosen.......... We know Israel is God's through election.

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
(Rom 11:7)

And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
(Rom 11:26-28)

The only connection we have to election is Israel, who obtain it not by the gospel, being our enemy, scripture says.

However, scripture also says it is not that we love God, He loved us first, it can be argued then everyone was loved when He sent his son. Loved would be another word for elected or chosen.

But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
(Mat 24:20-22)

Not many believers keep the sabbath or come from Judea. Tribulation is so bad, no flesh will be saved if it had not been shortened. Flesh, not the spirit of man.

Jesus tells them that

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(Mat 24:29)

This is the 6th seal, which will be followed by the 7th. The 7th spans 1/2 hour of silence. This is all mixed in with Vials, trumpets also. Nobody has pinpointed the exact timing of these together, but the 7th trumpet is the last noise event that ends everything.

Everyone runs, hides........ from who is coming. I believe right after that 1/2 hour of darkness and silence on the Earth, Jesus comes in a brilliant light and the trumpet blowing, meaning the end of tribulation.

Even if we get the 7 years of tribulation wrong, we have this timing event to pinpoint down to the last half hour of the Lord's return. He sits down Rev 14 (continued about the 144,000 might seem out of order if you don't see that) and Rev 19.

Jesus tells of this even and continues on...............

Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
(Mat 24:35-36)

Jesus ends with his words shall not pass away, then continues with that day and hour no man knows, not him, or the angels. We might do good to pinpoint the season when it's close as he said Watch Israel.

Jesus goes on to describe another event. Like the days of Noah, where nobody knew a thing until Noah and his family entered the boat.

This is not the first event he described, once those trumpets sound, and vials let loose, everyone on the planet will be miserable. This even takes place before the 40 days of flood hit. Before things were wiped out.

Jesus went onto say.

Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
(Mat 24:45-47)

Jesus is not addressing those that keep a Sabbath, but those that call him Lord. He said when He comes for them, Nobody knows the day or hour. Certainly not the description he gave with the timing events of the 6th and 7th seal.

Jesus said there is time coming this earth has never seen.
he said in Luke 17 pray that we may escape all these things.

Dan 12.....
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
(Mat 24:14)

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
(Mat 24:21)

And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
(Dan 12:1-2)


Our marker is getting the Gospel preached all over the World, those that would not believe the truth are sent a strong delusion.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(2Th 2:9-12)

It won't be pretty for those left here.

the Jews is to watch that temple. When it's about to all hit the fan, and that first trumpet sound that sends fire, hail, mixed with blood that destroys 1/3 of the earths tree's hit............ Before that, we are delivered at that time.

we yet to cover thess..... but these get long enough if you read this far.

Blessings.
 

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And so it ends.

As I said in an earlier post:
Not to be a wet blanket, but ...

this subject has been repeatedly discussed with no real results.

Do a search for Rapture as the title and you get 52 threads.

I will not allow this thread to go on for ever and will close it at the slightest sign of disharmony.
 
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