We will meet the Lord in the air and go with Him to heaven to the Marriage of the Lamb. Heaven comes down to us, eventually. In the meantime, we will be ruling with Him in the earthly Millennial Kingdom of Christ.Caught up in the air, it says nothing about going to Heaven. Are red flags going up yet? No passage has stated anything about going to heaven, that idea has been inferred.
The Church is not even mentioned after Revelation 3:22.Or, you could provide a "single" passage of Scripture that says the church won't be here.
The passage says nothing about going to heaven with him.We will meet the Lord in the air and go with Him to heaven to the Marriage of the Lamb. Heaven comes down to us, eventually. In the meantime, we will be ruling with Him in the earthly Millennial Kingdom of Christ.
And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven like a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.
Saved from wrath doesn't mean going to heaven. When God poured out his wrath on the ancient world did He take Noah and his family out of the world? No. When God poured out His wrath on Sodom and Gomorrah did He take Lot and his family out of the world? No. When God poured out His wrath on Pharaoh did He take the Israelites out of the world? No. We can see how God has protected His people when Her pours out His wrath and He's not taken them out of the world before so there's no reason to think He will in the future. We can see in Revelation that they are protected.Romans 5:9
Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him FROM THE WRATH OF GOD.
But you're arguing from silence. John doesn't use the word church in his gospel or either of his first two epistles either, would you suggest that 1 and 2 John are not speaking to the church?The Church is not even mentioned after Revelation 3:22.
Because at this time the World would most definitely need us here, we are not. If we were present then gospel, and brother and many other of our language would be present, even the word church would be mentioned many times. We don't come back in the picture until Rev 20- After the smoke clears
I can sit here and go through a whole bunch of scripture, but we all believe Post or pre trib based on one root inherent belief.
Some are just afraid, so Pre trib will be believed.
Some feel the church needs pounded and tested by a disobedient angle.......
Some are preterist, and believe it's all past already.
Some believe that Satan can't come with the last push with the anointed church in the way.
Whatever the root belief, just the 5th Trumpet alone sends a mass of things earth has never seen. Jesus said that in Matt 24 (About things this earth never has gone through) and Dan 12 mentions that.
This things are commanded to sting everyone but the 144,000 with the seal of God on their forehead.
If the church is here, then that scripture still must be true and God has to break his word about escaping the wrath to come.
If you examine Matt 24..... Jesus tells us exactly when he returns......... right after the 6 and 7th seal. That 7th seal brings 1/2 hour of silence on the whole earth.... the 6th changes the heavens so much, men will faint or faint because they know who is coming.
Jesus warned those that keep the Sabbath to flee, run those to who are in Judea.
Jesus goes on...... No man know the day or hour, but like the days of Noah. For they say my Lord delays his coming.......... those that call him Lord, are being instructed at this point.
We call him Lord, and the World best hear, it won't be pretty.
If you read through Revelation, not many but a handful survive.
Well, I did not just mention Church, John speaks a whole lot about loving your brother, God, and speaks about sin, and fellow-shipping. He mentions the Word Church 3 times and the Word love 38 times.But you're arguing from silence. John doesn't use the word church in his gospel or either of his first two epistles either, would you suggest that 1 and 2 John are not speaking to the church?
After all of these posts no one has presented a single passage of Scripture that says the church is raptured before the tribulation. However, Mathew 24 clearly states that the elect will be gather after the tribulation. There is no mention of old or new testament saints merely the elect. Unless one makes a distinction that is not in the text there is no reason to understand this as anyone other than the elect. It seems pretty clear to me.
Not to be a wet blanket, but ...
this subject has been repeatedly discussed with no real results.
Do a search for Rapture as the title and you get 52 threads.
I will not allow this thread to go on for ever and will close it at the slightest sign of disharmony.