Dark Matter in Genesis

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Well, to me, it's more real life than scriptural reference by the Spirit. For instance, my son now has a job that pays pretty well (Glory to the Lord Who provides) and he came asking what to do with his money. At one point in the conversation he asked me if I had any stock. I told him that it's not been doing good for years. He almost convinced me to sell it just the other day. I felt the Spirit say "just wait". So I did. Today, it's up 27%. The Lord is in every detail of our lives. We need to learn, just like in school, how to listen and know who's speaking, me and my flesh with its experiences, the devil or God. After all, how can one test the spirits unless they practice. Isn't that what a test is? :)

I thank the Lord for showing me dark matter in Genesis 1, though I doubt anyone will believe me, but that's fine with me. I'm just thankful for His word. :)

Just my take.
What is dark matter in Genesis 1?
 
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What is dark matter in Genesis 1?
I have thought a lot about the light of Genesis. Light by definition contains but a fraction of what we call visible light. In fact, the proper use of the word would be energy. I see that God created the parts atoms, like "legos" (for a lack of better easy-to-understand form), strewn on a table, or in this case something called "time". Darkness... no energy. Then the Holy Spirit brooded (the actual Hebrew meaning of the word moved). He moved upon the face of the waters - you can't breathe underwater and you can't breathe in space. Water is just "H2O" atoms... which are the first and third most abundant atoms in the universe (I know it's not exact, but this is just an attempt to understand the narrative given with what we know today). To brood is to flutter, to move, to make change, and the Holy Spirit cause the energy to exist getting the subatomic parts to come to be what they are and created atoms. And then God said, "Let there be light" as energy. This energy created everything until the 4th day when the Sun, visible light was made. The biggest "thing" created was what scientists call "dark energy"! It really is all written in the word of God! It's interesting that the terms "Day" and "Night" were coined right then and there without the sun and moon and stars! Today, we see things in the heavens (day) and yet we see the effects of something unseen we call dark matter (night)! See how accurate the word of God is when it took almost 6000 years to even realized the "night" existed without being able to "see" it!

So to my thinking water is just the term God used to describe helium, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms being strewn on the creation table and the Spirit brooded over them to get the electrons going...besides how could you explain that to ignorant man in terms we'd understand?

God is so loving and so awesome to have spelled it all out for us, learning about it is just a blessing! To me, God spoke the truth and it's only in the last 75 years we've been able to understand it. Just my thoughts.
 
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I have thought a lot about the light of Genesis. Light by definition contains but a fraction of what we call visible light. In fact, the proper use of the word would be energy. I see that God created the parts atoms, like "legos" (for a lack of better easy-to-understand form), strewn on a table, or in this case something called "time". Darkness... no energy. Then the Holy Spirit brooded (the actual Hebrew meaning of the word moved). He moved upon the face of the waters - you can't breathe underwater and you can't breathe in space. Water is just "H2O" atoms... which are the first and third most abundant atoms in the universe (I know it's not exact, but this is just an attempt to understand the narrative given with what we know today). To brood is to flutter, to move, to make change, and the Holy Spirit cause the energy to exist getting the subatomic parts to come to be what they are and created atoms. And then God said, "Let there be light" as energy. This energy created everything until the 4th day when the Sun, visible light was made. The biggest "thing" created was what scientists call "dark energy"! It really is all written in the word of God! It's interesting that the terms "Day" and "Night" were coined right then and there without the sun and moon and stars! Today, we see things in the heavens (day) and yet we see the effects of something unseen we call dark matter (night)! See how accurate the word of God is when it took almost 6000 years to even realized the "night" existed without being able to "see" it!

So to my thinking water is just the term God used to describe helium, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms being strewn on the creation table and the Spirit brooded over them to get the electrons going...besides how could you explain that to ignorant man in terms we'd understand?

God is so loving and so awesome to have spelled it all out for us, learning about it is just a blessing! To me, God spoke the truth and it's only in the last 75 years we've been able to understand it. Just my thoughts.
i still don't get dark matter

sorry that i didn't catch on

could you maybe try the children's version and see if i get that?

SCIENCE
is it lack of light?

lack of energy?

anti-matter?

SCRIPTURE
is dark the same as night or is darkness something different?

before creation was everything dark matter?

after creation does created matter and dark matter co-exist?
 
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i still don't get dark matter

sorry that i didn't catch on

could you maybe try the children's version and see if i get that?

SCIENCE
is it lack of light?

lack of energy?

anti-matter?

SCRIPTURE
is dark the same as night or is darkness something different?

before creation was everything dark matter?

after creation does created matter and dark matter co-exist?
Dark matter and dark energy are not detectable to us - yet - but we can see the effects of them, just like you can't see the wind but you can see the effects of the wind. They know that "something" is effecting the gravity of galaxies but they can't yet detect it. So it's dark matter and dark energy - dark because it's not visible to us, not because it's black. We're just "in the dark" about what the matter and energy is.

Genesis 1:4 (KJV)
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.​

In this verse, God created polarity. The word for dark means obscurity - which is our issue, we can't see it. It also means "secret place". Light is energy and something revealed. Polarity. I hope this helps. Let me know.
 
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I have thought a lot about the light of Genesis. Light by definition contains but a fraction of what we call visible light. In fact, the proper use of the word would be energy. I see that God created the parts atoms, like "legos" (for a lack of better easy-to-understand form), strewn on a table, or in this case something called "time". Darkness... no energy. Then the Holy Spirit brooded (the actual Hebrew meaning of the word moved). He moved upon the face of the waters - you can't breathe underwater and you can't breathe in space. Water is just "H2O" atoms... which are the first and third most abundant atoms in the universe (I know it's not exact, but this is just an attempt to understand the narrative given with what we know today). To brood is to flutter, to move, to make change, and the Holy Spirit cause the energy to exist getting the subatomic parts to come to be what they are and created atoms. And then God said, "Let there be light" as energy. This energy created everything until the 4th day when the Sun, visible light was made. The biggest "thing" created was what scientists call "dark energy"! It really is all written in the word of God! It's interesting that the terms "Day" and "Night" were coined right then and there without the sun and moon and stars! Today, we see things in the heavens (day) and yet we see the effects of something unseen we call dark matter (night)! See how accurate the word of God is when it took almost 6000 years to even realized the "night" existed without being able to "see" it!

So to my thinking water is just the term God used to describe helium, hydrogen, and oxygen atoms being strewn on the creation table and the Spirit brooded over them to get the electrons going...besides how could you explain that to ignorant man in terms we'd understand?

God is so loving and so awesome to have spelled it all out for us, learning about it is just a blessing! To me, God spoke the truth and it's only in the last 75 years we've been able to understand it. Just my thoughts.
Hello Abdicate;

Your post is interesting and wanted to share my thought. I personally struggled with this area in my study of Genesis, and tried to "balance" God's creation and the "world's view" of science without polarizing, but instead combining both God's "origin of Creation" and "origin of science." In this sense I believe God is creator of both.

On the first hand I understand darkness (not black) existing long before the creation of the first day, but not having an impact on "God breathed" man since man was not yet created. On the second hand the darkness was set in after the creation and would impact man during the creation and where we are today. Finally, on the third hand, in Genesis 1:18, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good - KJV

Anyone else's thought? Please share.

God bless you, Abdicate.
 
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Colossians 1:16 (KJV)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Day and Night, visible and invisible.
 
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still trying to understand dark matter and dark energy

i read several articles and nasa's was the most clearly articulated

according to their article the seen material is 5%, unseen dark energy is 68%, and unseen dark material is 27%:

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy

so it seems to me that space is not just emptiness/nothing

the unseen is actually matter and energy

so in that case it seems that the nothingness is actually unseen somethingness which would have to have been created by God - and for a very good purpose

everything God creates is full of awesome purpose that science gradually finds proof of, even though they give God no credit for it

further proof for us of how marvelous and awesome our God is
 
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Colossians 1:16 (KJV)

For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Day and Night, visible and invisible.
amen
 
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still trying to understand dark matter and dark energy

i read several articles and nasa's was the most clearly articulated

according to their article the seen material is 5%, unseen dark energy is 68%, and unseen dark material is 27%:

https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy

so it seems to me that space is not just emptiness/nothing

the unseen is actually matter and energy

so in that case it seems that the nothingness is actually unseen somethingness which would have to have been created by God - and for a very good purpose

everything God creates is full of awesome purpose that science gradually finds proof of, even though they give God no credit for it

further proof for us of how marvelous and awesome our God is
Which I think points to faith being an actual substance (Hebrews 11:1, and 4:12)... due to the Word being alive
 
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Which I think points to faith being an actual substance (Hebrews 11:1, and 4:12)... due to the Word being alive
yes amen

annette capps wrote a minibook called quantum faith

she says quantum scientists record how the activity /behavior of quarks is directly connected to faith/expectation/thought

quarks are invisible matter that come in and out of visibility according to the faith/expectation of the scientist

and she makes a powerful correlation with faith being an actual force/substance

amen amen amen
 
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yes amen

annette capps wrote a minibook call quantum faith

she says quantum scientists record how the activity /behavior or quarks is directly connected to faith/expectation/thought

quarks are invisible matter that come in and out of visibility according to the faith/expectation of the scientist

and she makes a powerful correlation with faith being an actual force/substance

amen amen amen
Sounds similar to what Caroline Leaf says when talking about how every thought is an actual protein in the brain... there is more, but I need to read the article again... lol.
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Sounds similar to what Caroline Leaf says when talking about how every thought is an actual protein in the brain... there is more, but I need to read the article again... lol.
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amen

her stuff is very interesting too - proving how powerful words and thoughts are

and there is someone who proved - via building a meter/recorder - that our thoughts are actually radio waves that go through space/air like sound/radio/light/electromagnetic/micro waves do

so we really need to watch that what we think and speak matches God's words and not the devil's lies - Philippians 4:8 - Psalms 103:20 - Mark 11:22-24
 
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amen

her stuff is very interesting too - proving how powerful words and thoughts are

and there is someone who proved - via building a meter/recorder - that our thoughts are actually radio waves that go through space/air like sound/radio/light/electromagnetic/micro waves do

so we really need to watch that what we think and speak matches God's words and not the devil's lies - Philippians 4:8. Psalms 103:20 Mark 11:22-24
One good thing is that thoughts unspoken are not born.. so the only way to manifest is to speak or act upon them... but they surely can mess one up if they don't take them captive and make them obedient to the Word.
 
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One good thing is that thoughts unspoken are not born.. so the only way to manifest is to speak or act upon them... but they surely can mess one up if they don't take them captive and make them obedient to the Word.
amen

and we can call them back/undo them no matter how long ago we spoke them

there is no past/present/future with God

He is God/master over time and space

when we ask for forgiveness the blood of Jesus goes backwards and forwards in time to erase the sin - and make it as though we never sinned

not only are we forgiven but we are cleansed/our record expunged - 1 John 1:9

the spoken word of God and the Blood of Jesus are unseen forces/matter that effect a powerful work on our behalf
 
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Hello Abdicate;

Your post is interesting and wanted to share my thought. I personally struggled with this area in my study of Genesis, and tried to "balance" God's creation and the "world's view" of science without polarizing, but instead combining both God's "origin of Creation" and "origin of science." In this sense I believe God is creator of both.

On the first hand I understand darkness (not black) existing long before the creation of the first day, but not having an impact on "God breathed" man since man was not yet created. On the second hand the darkness was set in after the creation and would impact man during the creation and where we are today. Finally, on the third hand, in Genesis 1:18, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness; and God saw that it was good - KJV

Anyone else's thought? Please share.

God bless you, Abdicate.
amen

after thinking about your post i realize that dark matter/energy is the wrong word

science is calling it dark, but as you pointed out God calls it unseen

so from now on i will call it by God's description - UNSEEN - and now understand that science mistakenly calls it dark matter/energy

darkness is of the devil and light and goodness are of God

day and night are both good things created by God and so is the unseen matter and energy - they are all good and don't deserve a title like dark energy/matter
 
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God (Trinity) had created air, dust, and water into a physical world but Death was upon everything because it was APART from God (not spiritual but physical) and to be APART from God is subject to Death. God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, God would have to have his Son brought forth from their invisible or spiritual realm into this physical world (because in him, the Son, was life and life is the light of men).
Death was not in effect until Adam and Eve ate of the fruit of the tree that brought about death and the curse. For God said if they ate, it would bring death (or they would die).
 
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Genesis 1 King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning God created the heaven (
Hebrew-air) and the earth (Hebrew-ground). 2 And the earth (ground) was without form, and void;(empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved (brooded) upon the face of the waters.

God (Trinity) had created air, dust, and water into a physical world but Death was upon everything because it was APART from God (not spiritual but physical) and to be APART from God is subject to Death. God knew that in order for Death to be defeated, God would have to have his Son brought forth from their invisible or spiritual realm into this physical world (because in him, the Son, was life and life is the light of men).

So, God
said, Let there be Light....... YHWH, the Son of God, came forth into the physical world from within God himself - as his ONLY Begotten Son to shape and mold the ground which was without form like dust and shape it physically. YHWH/Jesus, called Lord God by the King James translators, is the ONLY God ever formed or made physically.

Isa 43:10 Ye are My witnesses, saith the Lord, and My servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He: before Me there was NO God formed, neither shall there be after Me. 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside Me there is no Saviour.

God bless
Darkness just that which isn't perceivable to us.
 
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Dark matter and dark energy are not detectable to us - yet - but we can see the effects of them, just like you can't see the wind but you can see the effects of the wind. They know that "something" is effecting the gravity of galaxies but they can't yet detect it. So it's dark matter and dark energy - dark because it's not visible to us, not because it's black. We're just "in the dark" about what the matter and energy is.

Genesis 1:4 (KJV)
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.​

In this verse, God created polarity. The word for dark means obscurity - which is our issue, we can't see it. It also means "secret place". Light is energy and something revealed. Polarity. I hope this helps. Let me know.
This is ridiculous. The conversation is overstating the obvious and complicating the simple.

Darkness is absence of light.

One of the problems we suffer from today is the tendency to over complicate simple matters and extrapolate Biblical references that don't exist. Any good book is consistent with its own theme. The Bible is one of them.

The Bible doesn't address the existence of dinosaurs. It isn't about ancient reptiles.
The Bible doesn't address the existence of prehistoric plant life, tectonic plate movement or the composition of the universe. It isn't about those things.
The Bible doesn't address the history of ancient people other than God's own. It isn't a document about human history.

The Bible IS about the fall and redemption of mankind. That particular story is six thousand years old and still running. The Bible isn't about anything else.

Discussions, however valid, about current astronomical theory concerning black holes, dark matter, and galactic gravity waves ought to be reserved for documents and science fiction stories where they are consistent with the theme of the work. It's not in the Bible and shouldn't be included where Biblical text has no frame of reference.

and that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
 
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The Creation from nothing (ex-nihilo) as documented in the Scripture

God doesn't tell us exactly in the Bible that He made everything from nothing (ex-nihilo). Here is what He told us which agrees with Albert Einstein's discoveries 2k years later:

Heb 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Albert Einstein learned that energy and matter are opposite sides of the same coin. God simply flipped energy into matter in the beginning. Then, Jesus took some of this air, dust, and water and flipped it again into Energy, at the Big Bang, which cooled and became our Cosmos. That's the way the Supreme Intelligence of Creation makes worlds.

Gen 1:1-3 tells us of the creation of the air, ground, without form or dust, and water came forth from the air. The LORD God (spoken of in Gen 2:4) took some of the air, dust, and water and made Adam's Earth on the 3rd Day. In fact EVERYTHING which exists physically is made of the air, dust and water which was created BEFORE the first Day when Jesus, the Light of the first Day, came forth from within the invisible Spirit of God, into the physical world. All living creatures were also given Life by Jesus.

3 All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Here is where the Energy came from:

1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Amen!