I've not heard from others what John targets in this video, but we are indeed assured that for those of us who are in Christ, death has no "sting."
Death - A Pleasant Experience?
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First of all.........I do not know! I have never died to know if it is a pleasant experience.
Further more.......I do not believe the stories of those who claim to have died and then come back to life.
They may have passed out, fainted or been in a coma, but when the heart stops and there is NO Brain activity, you are dead!
It is interesting to me personally that those who claim to have died and come back ALWAYS seem to have gone to heaven or a better place or Nervana. I wonder why no one seems to say that they went to HELL.
I remember someone asking me once if I was already dead and I said yes. The transition to becoming alive was a little shaky to say the least, but well worth it.
As have perhaps others of you have, I have been with a number of people who have passed this life and it was most often a slow and agonizing struggle for them, certainly for me to witness. It may not sting, but I can clearly see the process itself hurts.
Death of the body is a debt we all will pay. I think the real sting of death begins for some after the body dies.
But an answer to this question could be this is because God, God the Father, is more generous, infinitely loving and He works in ways beyond our understanding and even a brief glimpse of a Heavenly world works changes on a souls path.
Conversely, there is no reprieve, no second chance for those sent to the the lord of chaos for equal but opposite reasons. Better for business if the devil does not advertise too much.
Death of the body is a debt we all will pay. I think the real sting of death begins for some after the body dies.
You say you don’t believe either way Major , and I respect this so please don’t consider this an argument, just a thought.
But an answer to this question could be this is because God, God the Father, is more generous, infinitely loving and He works in ways beyond our understanding and even a brief glimpse of a Heavenly world works changes on a souls path.
Conversely, there is no reprieve, no second chance for those sent to the the lord of chaos for equal but opposite reasons. Better for business if the devil does not advertise too much.
I had a conversation with another minster just this morning about the struggles of life and death, and what came into the conversation is the fact that, in the moments of a true believer's suffering, THAT is where the Lord steps in and gives to us that amazing comfort and perseverence and peace that passes all understanding. The body suffers and groans, but deep within, the presence of the Most High does wondrous things.
MM
If this is true then it is often inexplicably hidden from those who bear witness.
That said, I truly pray this is so.
God bless.
13 years ago I suffered a "widow maker" heart attack. For a few minutes, I was clinically dead. During the time my heart was still, I was unable to breathe and didn't really care to. I was totally calm although I was fully aware that I was dying. I remember talking to the Lord with my thoughts and asking Him to take care of my family, and I apologized for not learning everything He wanted me to learn. Although I couldn't breathe or open my eyes, I was aware of the din of cacophony around me produced by the medical personnel working to revive me. My point is that I had no fear of meeting the Lord; I was ready. The most unpleasant part of the experience was when they used the paddles on me. Twice I felt like someone had thrown me from the roof onto a stainless steel table!
Hello BibleLover;
Your post touched me and thank you for sharing. I have never had a heart attack of any kind but I'm conscious of this daily at my age.
Either way, I'm not afraid of dying and what you shared with the Lord is close to what I would say to Him.
But as a human being I feel it's normal and reasonable to feel a little scared of being in the state of a near death experience.
God bless you and your family with long days ahead.
You may be right Blueskies. As I said I do not know. Now there is another answer, or maybe 2.
The person who said they died and came back ........did not die at all.
2nd........we do not get saved by having a glance of heaven. We are saved BY FAITH in the Lord Jesus plus nothing. I personally thin that a glace of heaven would be "something" but that is just me.
Just thought of the 3rd.......Everyone believes there is a heaven but NO ONE believes that God would allow anyone to be tormented in Hel so they never say they were in hell when they were dead.
Personally I go with #1!
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Yes sir. Been there, done that. You are totally correct BUT..........you were not clinically dead! We know that because YOU are still posting right here right now.
All I can say is that I have sat at many bedsides and I never ever saw any pleasantries or hidden agendas. For some, it was horrendous!If this is true then it is often inexplicably hidden from those who bear witness.
That said, I truly pray this is so.
God bless.
Eternally is with Christ forever or with Satan forever. Everyone has an eternal life............WHERE is the only question.
I have several times told my wife (and she does not understand) that I do not fear death. I fear dying. The result can be anticipated with joy, but the transition is full of uncertainty.
I liken it to the various surgeries I have had (thyroid removal, artery catherization, heart bypass, bladder removal. There was pain, sometimes considerable with each of these. Pain is often temporary though I am well aware that some experience pain everyday.
Each time I was put under, I contemplated not waking up and that held little fear. But I also several times knew that my life was changing and I would never physically be what I was, but each of these things also provided considerable if not eternal health benefits.
I liken it to the various surgeries I have had (thyroid removal, artery catherization, heart bypass, bladder removal. There was pain, sometimes considerable with each of these. Pain is often temporary though I am well aware that some experience pain everyday.
Each time I was put under, I contemplated not waking up and that held little fear. But I also several times knew that my life was changing and I would never physically be what I was, but each of these things also provided considerable if not eternal health benefits.
Been there as well brother. But I can say with certainty that nothing compares to knee replacement.
Prostate is close but the knee wins........IMO.
Several years ago I had to have back surgery. I was so ready to go meet the Lord that I told the surgeon, "If you cant fix this.....kill me on the table".
That is true.
The brutal fact is that God never promised to heal everyone. I know my Pentacostal friends do not want to hear that but it is Bible truth.
What is the 1st thing said by anyone in pain or suffering?????...............................................................O GOD!
We tend to ignore the Lord and do what we want to do till the PAIN comes and then it is........O GOD!
Somewhere along the line of life we have completely forgotten His perfect plan for our lives is to allow us to suffer and experience disease, illness, and hardship. The reason for this is that He can often teach us things through suffering that we would never be able to learn through a book or seminar, or through comfort and prosperity.
In other words, most of the time, we only talk to God when we are on our backs looking up.
If this is true then it is often inexplicably hidden from those who bear witness.
That said, I truly pray this is so.
God bless.
Have you ever read Fox's Book of Martyrs?
As to the things we see of others dying in hospitals, on the roadside after an accident...or wherever...what we see with our eyes doesn't tell the whole story. In that book, there are accounts of people burning alive at the stake, and yet rubbing their hands together as if the fire were not hot enough.
What is that? Defiance? Disregard for the pain? Insanity? Nerves of steel?
Human power is a state of powerlessness. The walk of faith is the greatest power in all of creation:
John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Those greater things, they are not, from my experience and from the testimony of Holy Spirit, necessarily things seen with our physical eyes. There is so much depth that our eyes simply are not capable of seeing. When you looked upon someone suffering on their way to death, you saw only some outward manifestation of things that your eyes simply could not see. That's true of us all. That man who rubbed his hands together as he was completely engulfed in flames, what was going on beyond our eyes? None of us will ever know...in this life, at least.
So, the process of dying, and reality of suffering, there is so much more to it than "what meets the eye." I do not trust my eyes, but rather the Lord. I watched my former wife die in a hospital bed. Her organs slowly shutting down, one after another, from oxygen deprivation from the destruction to her lungs from COVID.
It's too easy to think of only ourselves and others here in this life, and question the value of suffering, and just to what extent that suffering seemingly has no meaning. Dare I say it, I hold to what is written:
Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose.
So, the REAL question we should ALL be considering is: How do I ask the Lord to to call me according to His purpose, so that ALL things, whether in life, in the process of dying, and in whatever capacity I may serve Him? How do I humble myself to the point that He empowers me to serve His purpose? That is a sobering thought for us ALL to consider.
May I wash your feet....?
MM
No Sir, I have not read it.
I agree. I know, or perhaps I should say I believe, that each death is as unique and personal as each life.
I really can’t know what is happening there. I have seen loved ones fighting and gasping for each breath, a painful struggle that lasted days, more than once. So I am led to believe pain is, and is part of, this mortal existence until we leave our earthly bodies and this dust world creation. The good Lord does as He wills so it maybe the pain of fire is spared to some and not others. I cannot know His ways. I do pray for mercy for all of us in death and in life.
I am not sure the process is more than just a surrender. But then I admit real and total surrender is easier said than done. For many it takes a lifetime, for many a lifetime is not enough. Here I must confess that I certainly have not achieved this.
I am so sorry for the pain and sorrow this has caused you my friend. Once a loved one passes their pain surely ends, no doubt, but for those of us who love them it just begins in earnest.
Thank you for your thoughtful answer and your most personal insights.
God bless you.
I have no control over this enemy called death. I pray for the grace to trust my Lord as I pass through it no matter how horrendous it might be.
The transition itself can be good or bad depending on how you died. If you die in your sleep, then yeah it's pleasant. Just go to sleep and wake up in the after life.
But for most people, it is not a pleasant experience. But once it's over and you're there, things get very pleasant if you're a Christian.