A number of famous preachers have been yelling and yammering about homosexuality, abortion and other moral ills are what's bringing God's judgement down upon America and other nations where these things are at such a high rate.

What made no sense to me about those claims is that, for example, if America is truly 75% Christian, why are these things still a problem here? If the majority of the populace were against abortion, then why is it still going on?

Interestingly, Justin Peters makes a very interesting point about this topic, in that homosexuality, abortion and other moral ills ARE God's judgement upon nations. That's when this clicked in my understanding about immirality:

Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

See that? God gives them over to the lusts and doing that which is ungodly because of their rejection of TRUTH!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

When they reject TRUTH, they are rejecting Christ Himself, and are therefore given over to the lusts of their flesh, and this their practice of those ungodly things are the judgement. Godly influences, then, are not the means by which those ungodly things are eradicated from a nation. Embracing TRUTH is the only way those things will be cleansed away.

 
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
and this is part of God judgment Hosea wrote my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge. because they rejected the knowledge .. it dont take a video figure that out
 
A number of famous preachers have been yelling and yammering about homosexuality, abortion and other moral ills are what's bringing God's judgement down upon America and other nations where these things are at such a high rate.

What made no sense to me about those claims is that, for example, if America is truly 75% Christian, why are these things still a problem here? If the majority of the populace were against abortion, then why is it still going on?

Interestingly, Justin Peters makes a very interesting point about this topic, in that homosexuality, abortion and other moral ills ARE God's judgement upon nations. That's when this clicked in my understanding about immirality:

Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

See that? God gives them over to the lusts and doing that which is ungodly because of their rejection of TRUTH!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

When they reject TRUTH, they are rejecting Christ Himself, and are therefore given over to the lusts of their flesh, and this their practice of those ungodly things are the judgement. Godly influences, then, are not the means by which those ungodly things are eradicated from a nation. Embracing TRUTH is the only way those things will be cleansed away.

Because 75% of America is NOT Christian!!!!

75 % of American do not even attend a church on a regular basis!


All of the actions you listed are the results of SIN which those living here have chosen to participate in.

WHY???...........Because preachers stopped preaching the judgment of God on SIN 50 years ago!

When the truth was no longer preached men did exactly as their nature (SIN) encourage them to do which is exactly what you posted from Romans 1:18-32!
 
...Because preachers stopped preaching the judgment of God on SIN 50 years ago!
Maybe you have stopped but i have not... that is not a correct statement .of course i realize i am posting to dead air !!! the truth is being preached maybe not in every church.. but people are rejecting the truth
 
Because 75% of America is NOT Christian!!!!

75 % of American do not even attend a church on a regular basis!


All of the actions you listed are the results of SIN which those living here have chosen to participate in.

WHY???...........Because preachers stopped preaching the judgment of God on SIN 50 years ago!

When the truth was no longer preached men did exactly as their nature (SIN) encourage them to do which is exactly what you posted from Romans 1:18-32!

Given that we're seeing the turning away taking place right before our eyes, I'd say that the percentage of REAL Christians is less than 25%.

As to attending some institutional, man-made "church" organization on a regular basis, I'll stick with home fellowships as the means through which I gather with other believers. That's just my preference, which isn't everyone's cup of tea, and that's ok, so long as believers are gathering together with fellow believers while we still have that freedom, although perhaps not for long, and they have opportunity to sharpen themselves with each other, and mutually edify one another, even if it's with the backs of other people's heads. ;)

MM
 
Given that we're seeing the turning away taking place right before our eyes, I'd say that the percentage of REAL Christians is less than 25%.

As to attending some institutional, man-made "church" organization on a regular basis, I'll stick with home fellowships as the means through which I gather with other believers. That's just my preference, which isn't everyone's cup of tea, and that's ok, so long as believers are gathering together with fellow believers while we still have that freedom, although perhaps not for long, and they have opportunity to sharpen themselves with each other, and mutually edify one another, even if it's with the backs of other people's heads. ;)

MM
I would agree!
 
A number of famous preachers have been yelling and yammering about homosexuality, abortion and other moral ills are what's bringing God's judgement down upon America and other nations where these things are at such a high rate.

What made no sense to me about those claims is that, for example, if America is truly 75% Christian, why are these things still a problem here? If the majority of the populace were against abortion, then why is it still going on?

Interestingly, Justin Peters makes a very interesting point about this topic, in that homosexuality, abortion and other moral ills ARE God's judgement upon nations. That's when this clicked in my understanding about immirality:

Romans 1:18-32
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

See that? God gives them over to the lusts and doing that which is ungodly because of their rejection of TRUTH!

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

When they reject TRUTH, they are rejecting Christ Himself, and are therefore given over to the lusts of their flesh, and this their practice of those ungodly things are the judgement. Godly influences, then, are not the means by which those ungodly things are eradicated from a nation. Embracing TRUTH is the only way those things will be cleansed away.

Most of the entire western world, including Europe, North America, South Africa, New Zealand, and Australia, not just America, has forsaken God and is experiencing the consequences. Perhaps it's a sign that end is near.
 
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