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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but were all going to hell ………………..
Believer, unbeliever, it makes no difference …..if we die before Christ returns, we go to hell.
Now for the good news ……...actually it just occurred to me, that anything I say would be better news than having to endure what Christendom references as the torment of hell.
If I were to tell you (assuming you believed me) that in order to avoid going to hell you had to hit yourself in the head with a Vaughn framing hammer you would be running to the hardware store; but that is not the case or the good news.
The intro statement is absolutely true, but the good news is that …………..it’s not what you think …………….of coarse about this time some of you are thinking ..great! this newbe thinks he has got some prophetic revelation that none of us are privy to ….not true! ….well all except the newbe part. The prophetic revelation is something we are all privy to in fact for generations this revelation has been available, but for generations we have sanctioned our beliefs with tradition rather than truth; so put away the hammers, here is the truth.
He - double hockey sticks
First I do not subscribe to the common belief that when one dies they go directly to heaven or what is commonly referred to as hell, or to Abraham’s bosom, purgatory, or the waiting room. The Bible teaches that when one dies they are dead….asleep, until the return of Christ. Their spirit returns to God, the soul, which is breath life ceases, and the body goes into a state of decay …. back to dust. “
As long as I am defining hell let me first begin by giving definition to the above places that are commonly referenced in Christendom, as they do play a part in this.
The first is Purgatory, although this is almost exclusively dealt with in Catholicism. The teachings of Purgatory all stem from the Catholic Church's belief in a “works salvation.†Basically Purgatory teaches that you must pay for your own sins, ………….well not all of them,…….. only those which Christ failed to pay for……….. Actually I am not going to waste much time on this if you want more information google the word, and I am sure you will be satisfied that this is a unscriptural, unbiblical, and at one point, through indulgences; a money making deceptive lie perpetrated by the catholic hierarchy against the innocence of their own, uninformed, well intentioned followers.
The waiting room …I don’t know who came up with this, but I have heard this one tossed around a few times and my best guess is that it’s the Protestant form of purgatory minus the indulgences
Abrahams bosom Luke 16:19-31
I have heard this referred to a couple of different ways, and honestly I don’t know what the common belief is, it seems to change with the subscriber, but for understanding purposes let me clarify what this passage is referring to.
The first thing that should grab our attention is the way verse 19 starts out “There was a certain rich man†Now take a look at verse 1 of chapter 16. “There was a certain rich manâ€â€¦. Starting midway through chapter 14 and ending in chapter 16 verse 31 Jesus is teaching by way of parables. A parable is a comparison by sustained resemblance; it is an extended simile. The likeness or resemblance must be sought from the entire context.
As an aside- Two ancient Greek manuscripts The Bezae Caulabrigiensis, and the Koridethian-Caesarean text include the words: eipen de kai heteran parabolen at the beginning of verse 19, which translate as “And He said also another parableâ€
This parable is addressed to the Pharisees {verse 14} The Pharisees, who believed in rewards and punishment immediately after death. Jesus told this parable to the Pharisees in light of their Talmudic traditions and beliefs. It was they, not Jesus, who coined the phrase “Abraham’s Bosom†as one of several afterlife locations. Jesus uses the parable to condemn the Pharisees and catch them in their own erroneous belief.
His intention was not to contradict the entire Old Testament by teaching survival after death. His primary intention was to show that the Pharisees were so evil that even if someone rose from the dead they still wouldn’t listen to him….. Just the opposite appears in Jesus teachings when we look at verses like in John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead .and Luke 14:14. And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
And Jesus could not have denied the abundance of scripture from the Old Testament like that of Ecclesiastes 9:5,6, &10 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6: Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 10: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goestHow prophetic it was, as evidenced by his own resurrection from the dead, many of them did not believe
What about hell . …………Somehow we have adapted the meaning, which the Greeks have put upon this word, and we have been synonymous in our definition with sheol, hades, gehenna, katakaio, and tartaros as that of eternal torment. They are not the same, the word sheol/hades is more accurately defined as a state rather then a place. Gravedom is a word coined I believe by E W Bullinger, and is a great word for hell; it is the state or the reign of being in the grave; I am not talking about the grave itself which employs the Greek word (qeber). I am speaking of the time when one takes his last breath, until the return of our savior Jesus Christ.
Although I have had several invitations {by not so loving people} to go to this place, we must disregard the meaning that is placed on the word hell today. The Bibles’ definition is; “the state of being when one dies,†it’s a continuing state until the resurrection.†That’s it ….it is that simple, and that defined in the Bible.
Sheol {Hebrew} and Hades {Greek} are basically the two words we will be looking at, both meaning grave or gravedom.
Sheol is translated grave 31 times, hell 31 times, and pit 3 times.
Hades is translated hell 10, times and grave 1 time.
The standard for truth in defining words has got to come from the Word itself, not from the meaning (s) attached to it, which is where the confusion comes in.
In Greek mythology Hades was the god of the underworld and his name came to represent this fictitious place that we understand as Hell. The Septuagint was a second century B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, and in it the word Hades was chosen as the counterpart to the Hebrew Sheol.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but were all going to hell ………………..
Believer, unbeliever, it makes no difference …..if we die before Christ returns, we go to hell.
Now for the good news ……...actually it just occurred to me, that anything I say would be better news than having to endure what Christendom references as the torment of hell.
If I were to tell you (assuming you believed me) that in order to avoid going to hell you had to hit yourself in the head with a Vaughn framing hammer you would be running to the hardware store; but that is not the case or the good news.
The intro statement is absolutely true, but the good news is that …………..it’s not what you think …………….of coarse about this time some of you are thinking ..great! this newbe thinks he has got some prophetic revelation that none of us are privy to ….not true! ….well all except the newbe part. The prophetic revelation is something we are all privy to in fact for generations this revelation has been available, but for generations we have sanctioned our beliefs with tradition rather than truth; so put away the hammers, here is the truth.
He - double hockey sticks
First I do not subscribe to the common belief that when one dies they go directly to heaven or what is commonly referred to as hell, or to Abraham’s bosom, purgatory, or the waiting room. The Bible teaches that when one dies they are dead….asleep, until the return of Christ. Their spirit returns to God, the soul, which is breath life ceases, and the body goes into a state of decay …. back to dust. “
As long as I am defining hell let me first begin by giving definition to the above places that are commonly referenced in Christendom, as they do play a part in this.
The first is Purgatory, although this is almost exclusively dealt with in Catholicism. The teachings of Purgatory all stem from the Catholic Church's belief in a “works salvation.†Basically Purgatory teaches that you must pay for your own sins, ………….well not all of them,…….. only those which Christ failed to pay for……….. Actually I am not going to waste much time on this if you want more information google the word, and I am sure you will be satisfied that this is a unscriptural, unbiblical, and at one point, through indulgences; a money making deceptive lie perpetrated by the catholic hierarchy against the innocence of their own, uninformed, well intentioned followers.
The waiting room …I don’t know who came up with this, but I have heard this one tossed around a few times and my best guess is that it’s the Protestant form of purgatory minus the indulgences
Abrahams bosom Luke 16:19-31
I have heard this referred to a couple of different ways, and honestly I don’t know what the common belief is, it seems to change with the subscriber, but for understanding purposes let me clarify what this passage is referring to.
The first thing that should grab our attention is the way verse 19 starts out “There was a certain rich man†Now take a look at verse 1 of chapter 16. “There was a certain rich manâ€â€¦. Starting midway through chapter 14 and ending in chapter 16 verse 31 Jesus is teaching by way of parables. A parable is a comparison by sustained resemblance; it is an extended simile. The likeness or resemblance must be sought from the entire context.
As an aside- Two ancient Greek manuscripts The Bezae Caulabrigiensis, and the Koridethian-Caesarean text include the words: eipen de kai heteran parabolen at the beginning of verse 19, which translate as “And He said also another parableâ€
This parable is addressed to the Pharisees {verse 14} The Pharisees, who believed in rewards and punishment immediately after death. Jesus told this parable to the Pharisees in light of their Talmudic traditions and beliefs. It was they, not Jesus, who coined the phrase “Abraham’s Bosom†as one of several afterlife locations. Jesus uses the parable to condemn the Pharisees and catch them in their own erroneous belief.
His intention was not to contradict the entire Old Testament by teaching survival after death. His primary intention was to show that the Pharisees were so evil that even if someone rose from the dead they still wouldn’t listen to him….. Just the opposite appears in Jesus teachings when we look at verses like in John 11:14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead .and Luke 14:14. And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.
And Jesus could not have denied the abundance of scripture from the Old Testament like that of Ecclesiastes 9:5,6, &10 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6: Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. 10: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goestHow prophetic it was, as evidenced by his own resurrection from the dead, many of them did not believe
What about hell . …………Somehow we have adapted the meaning, which the Greeks have put upon this word, and we have been synonymous in our definition with sheol, hades, gehenna, katakaio, and tartaros as that of eternal torment. They are not the same, the word sheol/hades is more accurately defined as a state rather then a place. Gravedom is a word coined I believe by E W Bullinger, and is a great word for hell; it is the state or the reign of being in the grave; I am not talking about the grave itself which employs the Greek word (qeber). I am speaking of the time when one takes his last breath, until the return of our savior Jesus Christ.
Although I have had several invitations {by not so loving people} to go to this place, we must disregard the meaning that is placed on the word hell today. The Bibles’ definition is; “the state of being when one dies,†it’s a continuing state until the resurrection.†That’s it ….it is that simple, and that defined in the Bible.
Sheol {Hebrew} and Hades {Greek} are basically the two words we will be looking at, both meaning grave or gravedom.
Sheol is translated grave 31 times, hell 31 times, and pit 3 times.
Hades is translated hell 10, times and grave 1 time.
The standard for truth in defining words has got to come from the Word itself, not from the meaning (s) attached to it, which is where the confusion comes in.
In Greek mythology Hades was the god of the underworld and his name came to represent this fictitious place that we understand as Hell. The Septuagint was a second century B.C. Greek translation of the Old Testament, and in it the word Hades was chosen as the counterpart to the Hebrew Sheol.
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