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Dear brothers and sisters;

In Romans 1:16-17 reveal three patterns that Paul developed in his first missionary journey. He typically began with the Jewish community, then moved on to the Gentiles. In his sermons Paul establishes common ground with his audiences. Paul concentrated on urban centers.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

God didn't choose the Jews out of favor but to reveal His love, mercy and grace to teach and prepare them to welcome His Messiah to the Gentiles, thus by introducing Jesus and giving all the opportunity to have a relationship and receive His wonderful plan for salvation.

During the past year I have discussed topics of diverse cultures in the ministry, other brothers and sisters, and how they impact the scriptures. This has been new learning for me. We who share the Gospel, are not to be ashamed, I love to talk Jesus. But for years I addressed the scripture through my own eyes without a thought of diversity in our communities, diversity in these United States and all four corners of the earth.

It dawned on me but as an American visiting another country I'm the diversity to them. Does that make sense?

An example, last weekend at Bible studies I was teaching Matthew 5:21-26 where Jesus teaches about anger. We had a discussion that even during our anger if we manage to hold our seething, brooding bitterness toward someone, we praise God because we feel we were able to control ourselves. But Jesus wants us to pray for the application of "thought control" as well. Broken thought control can hinder our relationship with God. If we have a problem or grievance with a friend, we should resolve the problem as soon as possible.

This raised discussion between different members who grew up in their respective cultures. They both agreed to the fundamental truth of the scripture, but their application is different. These are members who live, follow Jesus and work having adapted to the culture in our community.

In these times diversity and cross-cultures have played a bigger part of our lives and we need to prayerully keep this in mind when we are witnessing for Christ and sharing the gospel to others. This has taken me more "out of the box" and learning to see Christ and the Gospel through different eyes who want a relationship with our Lord and Savior. I choose to live by faith that if Christ commands us to go and make disciples and share the Gospel, He will make the diversities come together for His glory.

God bless you and your families.
 
I understand there are cultural differences and so forth but yet I understand even more that there is only
ONE God
ONE Savior
ONE Holy Spirit
ONE Set or Bible of His Most Holy Written Word.

Therefore there is no Room for Compromise when it comes to Thee Written Word Of God.

Yes there are different levels of Spiritual Growth and Yes we must show Grace and Mercy but again never compromising God's Word.

I am learning that God not only Expects but Commands that we are Truthful at all times.
Scripture tells us He hates lies.

When we stand before our final judgment, our cultural backgrounds won't mean a thing.
The only thing that matters is How we stack up or compare against God's Written Word and His Plan for our lives.

There is so much deception amongst those who claim to be brothers and saved.

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Mumble some words live as you want because salvation is a free gift.

Do nothing religion.....its all been done already for us so again what ever we do is all ok.

Kingdom Laws are old dark removed covenant and not for us believers so..... forgiveness and Love and fighting the good fight of faith and taking up your cross daily is not for today's born again believer.

If it happens then God wanted it to happen so why even try.

The devil can't ever touch a believer.

Christians don't give satan the legal right to set up shop.

We don't have to deal with our flesh cause Christ already crucified it.

Most of the NT is not for us today.

So much more and yet every one of these defiles some portion of scripture.

Walk in Love and Forgiveness showing much mercy and Grace but NEVER compromise the Written Word of God.

Blessings to you and your family
 
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Which pleases God?

People who constantly write prayer request such as....

Pray God will keep me from yelling at my boss

Pray that God stops me from sinning or watching porn or getting drunk or cheating on their spouse.

Pray God will stop making me sick

Pray God will make me Holy or Make me have more faith and so on.


To tell some one that you will pray for them and don't worry.

Tell them the truth and let them understand there are things God told us to do that He Will Not do for us.

Yes He will strengthen us and give us an out but we MUST ACT on it for He is not going to do these things for us.

Blessings to you and your family
 
Dear brothers and sisters;

In Romans 1:16-17 reveal three patterns that Paul developed in his first missionary journey. He typically began with the Jewish community, then moved on to the Gentiles. In his sermons Paul establishes common ground with his audiences. Paul concentrated on urban centers.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

God didn't choose the Jews out of favor but to reveal His love, mercy and grace to teach and prepare them to welcome His Messiah to the Gentiles, thus by introducing Jesus and giving all the opportunity to have a relationship and receive His wonderful plan for salvation.

During the past year I have discussed topics of diverse cultures in the ministry, other brothers and sisters, and how they impact the scriptures. This has been new learning for me. We who share the Gospel, are not to be ashamed, I love to talk Jesus. But for years I addressed the scripture through my own eyes without a thought of diversity in our communities, diversity in these United States and all four corners of the earth.

It dawned on me but as an American visiting another country I'm the diversity to them. Does that make sense?

An example, last weekend at Bible studies I was teaching Matthew 5:21-26 where Jesus teaches about anger. We had a discussion that even during our anger if we manage to hold our seething, brooding bitterness toward someone, we praise God because we feel we were able to control ourselves. But Jesus wants us to pray for the application of "thought control" as well. Broken thought control can hinder our relationship with God. If we have a problem or grievance with a friend, we should resolve the problem as soon as possible.

This raised discussion between different members who grew up in their respective cultures. They both agreed to the fundamental truth of the scripture, but their application is different. These are members who live, follow Jesus and work having adapted to the culture in our community.

In these times diversity and cross-cultures have played a bigger part of our lives and we need to prayerully keep this in mind when we are witnessing for Christ and sharing the gospel to others. This has taken me more "out of the box" and learning to see Christ and the Gospel through different eyes who want a relationship with our Lord and Savior. I choose to live by faith that if Christ commands us to go and make disciples and share the Gospel, He will make the diversities come together for His glory.

God bless you and your families.
Are you talking about different languages, obviously somethings can be translated differently..Paul said to the Jews he is a Jew and to the Greek he is Greek. He spoke both Hebrew and Greek. The jewish people were familiar with the law of Moses, they had pledged or covenanted to keep it whereas the gentiles in general had no idea what the law was. So how could they understand what breaking them meant when they werent even bound by it.

Or are you referring to this passage 1 Corinthians 9:19-23

Letter to Philemon is also a very important letter often overlooked. So instead of master-slave/servant relationship, those that are christians are now in father-son and daughter, brother and sister relationship.
 
On anger, why would you praise God for being angry or being able to keep it inside. God doesnt want you to be angry in the first place but to look on everyone with eyes of love, to be able to reconcile or forgive someone for their wrong.

Some people do get angry over things that are of no importance. And there are some people that like being angry or dramatic. I dont know if its a culture thing, but I guess certain cultures have sayings that dont make a big deal over stuff, like manana or dont worry be happy kind of thing. Tant pis. Whatever. It's all good. No problemo.
 
Culture? Compromise?

To offer a bunch of bananas or not? : )

Yes, indeed, I read a lot of compromise in the Bible: to eat pork or not, to circumcise or not...to rest on a Sabbath or not… or to DO ACT on a Sabbath or not…

BUT.. take note: as far as I understand, those compromises ONLY INVOLVES those things on LEGALISM.

Yes, indeed, there is no compromise to the Truth, the Word: the Bible...

I remember living in a Buddhist country once, during offering time: they offer a bunch of bananas…

Because they used to offer such to their Buddhist temples? It is what they are used to? they are missing the point? It is they can afford? It more practical?... it is the heart that matters?

Those is more of a metaphorical questions: also, the Pastor in that Church says he enjoyed eating and sharing the bananas : )

“The Spirit of the Law is above the Letters of the Law.”

John 4:21-24 New International Version (NIV)
21 “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
 
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I have offered coconut milk but not bananas. I remember the church asked that we offer non perishable food for our foodbank.

People have donated books to our church library, in general people donate christian books, but I remember one church member donated a JW book, but maybe he didnt know.
 
i read the word ANGER...

say, a related "GENERAL DISCUSSION"...

are we as Christians to use "the rod of discipline" ... that will it be on an individual or at most family level?
but say: in a community level: does the Educational System can use "rod of discipline"...

that is another metaphorical question :) no need to answer :)

because the point that that i like to emphasize is the heart of the matter: it is not ANGER in the first place that is that should be the TERM to aspire for : it is LOVE for one to enable one to grow...

Proverbs 13:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them
 
Was thinking on this further and wonder if the 'saving face' or 'being polite' thing is superficial to a culture, that people can pretend to be nice and loving but underneath they are mean. Jesus want us to be honest and let our yes be yes and our no be no.

I dont think its ever ok to say have road rage even if its to the person driving in front of you and call them an idiot, and swear at them and justify it by thinking they didnt hear you, they are strangers etc. But whether or not you say these things out loud but if you still think them, your heart isnt changed.

Its like, if a married man thinks he justified for lusting after a woman not his wife because he hasnt actually made a pass or comitted adultery. Yea but he still looks and thinks after someone who doesnt belong to him. Is this a culture issue? No its a sin.
There are many sinful practices that are engrained in the worlds cultures but believers are to be in the world but not of it.
 
I have offered coconut milk but not bananas. I remember the church asked that we offer non perishable food for our foodbank.

People have donated books to our church library, in general people donate christian books, but I remember one church member donated a JW book, but maybe he didnt know.

oh my, a JW book :) we can only speculate on the intention :) well: on the thought of "politeness"... it is my speculation only: he/she may have something in their heart that tells him not to throw away the book out of respect of the giver maybe....so better for the community or the Pastor to decide..

in my case, i used to have a collection of JW magazines, after i read, there is indeed a half truth in it... but really, but still respectful in my heart, i can tear the magazine into half and put in the garbage bin.... thankful for the half truth message, and conviction on the half-non truth that i personally believes and EXPECTS that the giver suppose as well to respect : )
 
i read the word ANGER...

say, a related "GENERAL DISCUSSION"...

are we as Christians to use "the rod of discipline" ... that will it be on an individual or at most family level?
but say: in a community level: does the Educational System can use "rod of discipline"...

that is another metaphorical question :) no need to answer :)

because the point that that i like to emphasize is the heart of the matter: it is not ANGER in the first place that is that should be the TERM to aspire for : it is LOVE for one to enable one to grow...

Proverbs 13:24 New International Version (NIV)
24 Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them
The rod is like a staff or measuring stick/pointer I dont think God meant it to be used to beat or abuse children with. Sometimes training or discipline can be painful, nobody really enjoys correction at the time.
 
oh my, a JW book :) we can only speculate on the intention :) well: on the thought of "politeness"... it is my speculation only: he/she may have something in their heart that tells him not to throw away the book out of respect of the giver maybe....so better for the community or the Pastor to decide..

in my case, i used to have a collection of JW magazines, after i read, there is indeed a half truth in it... but really, but still respectful in my heart, i can tear the magazine into half and put in the garbage bin.... thankful for the half truth message, and conviction on the half-non truth that i personally believes and EXPECTS that the giver suppose as well to respect : )
He may have only read half the book. I dont know, we didnt put it in the library anyway.
Although theres probably many christian books that arent JW books that have half truth in them. Sometimes have to remember that some people can be half-deaf i.e only can hear in one ear. Its not that they dont want to follow Jesus but they only getting half the gospel message. Also some people have very short attention spans.

This can be very frustrating for a singleminded person to talk to a doubleminded person. For example, i know this lady she asked me to pray for her and then I was praying but she got distracted in the middle of my prayer and kept interrupting before I had even finished. And Im not one to pray long drawn out prayers.
 
The rod is like a staff or measuring stick/pointer I dont think God meant it to be used to beat or abuse children with. Sometimes training or discipline can be painful, nobody really enjoys correction at the time.

Yes indeed. not to lead the thread to discuss it... just an example of culture differences...

Note: am by the way grew up with the "rod discipline"... and IF someone likes to continue the discussion: in the honor of my Parents ("Honor your Father and Mother verse" i will defend the use of it, if needed to :). there is a boundary of LOVE and LAZYNESS (NON-LOVE)... it can happen from time to time,,, but a CHILD ABUSE is no-no in the first place..
 
Ok so my boss, hes always commenting on whether someone is not driving the way he thinks they should when we out and about. Its not much fun being a passenger with someone whos constantly angry at everyone else on the road. Cos ok some people may not drive correctly but everyone is on their own business, some are still learning and nobody owns the road and has to always give way to us!

I was thinking instead of him being angry all the time why not do something about it if he cares that much, like maybe operate your own driver education school or invest in one? Or instead of swearing at people who dont drive correctly why not pray for the people on the road instead. My boss isnt a believer but I have shared if he blessed instead of cursed, it would help everyone and God will honor that prayer.
 
Going back to OP the usa is a very diverse culture I agree, since theres 51 different states and each state would be strange to an outsider. You will find that wherever you go, some people can be very provincial in their thinking. In cities where people share more, live closer together, theres a lot more tolerance of difference. Its not weird for a city person to gather where 20 different languages could be spoken and not everyone looks or dresses or eats the same as you do. But for a person say from the country, all these different kinds of people could be overwelming.

From say one choice at the general store, you go in the city and theres like a whole mall all of different shops, and some shops selling clothes but they all sell something different from the next. For me its like, ok a mall, whats so great about it, but to someone from the countryside its like wow all these different things you can buy.
 
I understand there are cultural differences and so forth but yet I understand even more that there is only
ONE God
ONE Savior
ONE Holy Spirit

ONE Set or Bible of His Most Holy Written Word.

Therefore there is no Room for Compromise when it comes to Thee Written Word Of God.
Most of the NT is not for us today.
Walk in Love and Forgiveness showing much mercy and Grace but NEVER compromise the Written Word of God.
Blessings to you and your family

Exactly, FC Jim;

This is the core of our thread regarding in and cross culture differences. During the Bible study discussion I was pleased to hear everybody agree that despite culture differences God's Word cannot be compromised nor can there be consolation.

As I was reading your post you mentioned "most of the NT is not for us today," please elaborate. What came to mind is the debate of cessationism, which some Christian doctrines believe the spiritual gifts such as healing, prophecy, tongues and fasting in the New Testament times ceased at the end of the apostolic age.

Regarding anger, this was given only as an example of cross-culture application of the scriptures, in this case, Jesus' was teaching how we are to apply reconciliation against anger with a brother or sister.

In our Bible study discussion this led to two points of cross-culture shared by two separate members regarding anger and how they apply what Matthew 5:21-26 teaches, but I'm not going to reveal their respective countries.

1. The first culture trait from this country is centuries old. When a man or woman gets angry, stressed, worried or depressed with you, they hold it inside, deeply, without you knowing. Professional counseling for this trait is very high in this country, more so with women than men because they get ill.

2. The second culture trait from another country is also centuries old. When a man or woman is angry with you, they will not approach you to reconcile. Instead, they will gossip their anger about you to others behind your back, out of respect to you. This culture is very timid and hates confrontation.

While listening I was taken aback. These are two of my church members who love the Lord and I never knew this about their culture. I thought to myself, this is ridiculous. How can someone respect me by gossiping their anger about me behind my back? Or, why would anyone hold their angry against me and take ownership of this feeling to the point of getting sick?

Lanolin, yes to your question regarding language barriers which is part of the cross-culture. 1 Corinthians 9:19-23 does complement Romans 1:16-67 whereas Paul is establising a common ground while talking to his audience. And why would someone praise God for keeping their anger inside?

Well, if I'm angry at someone and then praise God because I was able to control my tongue in front of the person, but am still holding the anger toward them (even while face to face), is hindering my relationship with God. It's better for me to confront the other person, in love.

At the end of the Bible study discussion it ended in one accord, praise Him! God commands all of us to love one another and is aware of everything. He created us and in many instances led us to co-exist with each other as the Jews and Gentiles did when Paul ministered to them.

God is not going to allow diversity, in-culture and cross-cultures to thwart His commands for us to love one another and will empower us to gain insight, knowledge and wisdom to establish common ground with our brothers and sisters with the goal of introduce Christ and the Gospels so we can all live for His purpose and abide for the Kingdom.

God bless you all and your families.
 
As I was reading your post you mentioned "most of the NT is not for us today,"
Greetings Bob,
No not my words at all!
There is a FALSE MOVEMENT in the Church these days claiming this was to so and so and not us and that is for unbelievers and not believers.
Its nothing more then a doctrine of demons.


Blessings to you and your family
 
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