Indicators of Recent Creation or Cataclysm

I do not agree with this assessment for one. I have seen proof otherwise. I read an article years ago which disproved this thinking. I have also seen where dino prints and human footprints were in the same place.

I am not reading anything, I am just reading what the scripture plainly says.

Your last sentence was uncalled for bro. I could say the same to you..

Please forgive me my friend. I did not intend for that to be received as you took it and I apologize.
 
2Pet3:8 says ‘is as’ ( a simile) not ‘is’.
A pre-Adamic creation would contradict the Bible.

Well, that is not my intent in any way.

What we do know is that Job is the oldest book in the Bible and in Job 1"6 the "sons of God' were angels who came before God to report and Satan came with them.

Satan fell and it seems to me that that one event changed all of the universe.

Is it possible that There was a massive cataclysmic global judgement from God against the world of Lucifer (who became Satan) and his angels when they sinned by rebelling against God during this Pre-Adamic Age.

Then is it also within our ability to consider that Since then, God has confined Satan and his fallen angels them to earth and its heaven (earth’s atmosphere), awaiting their final judgement in the Lake of Fire.
 
No I don't have a link. You can just type it into google and it will bring up several examples. OOP Art is Out Of Place Artifact, there are some strange things indeed. To respond to the other comments If the cosmos are old and the earth is old then Romans 1:20 is justified, however, if the earth was created to "appear" old then that would be a deception and God could not say that men are without excuse based only on nature.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and [g]Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

I just showed a few posts ago How man have used the cosmos in the way God intended in Gen 1. So I am lost as to how that would be a deception.

It is how God designed it, it is way He created it. And it is as man used it

Gen 1 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;

I see no deception there.
 
People have been caught having aged something they claimed was from ancient history and trying to sell it for a much greater value than it was worth, were they being deceptive? If something is made to look like something it is not then it is deception. Notice I said IF the earth was made to appear old, it would be a deception.
 
People have been caught having aged something they claimed was from ancient history and trying to sell it for a much greater value than it was worth, were they being deceptive? If something is made to look like something it is not then it is deception. Notice I said IF the earth was made to appear old, it would be a deception.
Once again If it was created for a PURPOSE. It is not deceptive.

It appears to be aged because that was its purpose.

God did not try to sell earth. He created it for life..

did it take a billion years to mature.

or was it created COMPLETE
 
Once again If it was created for a PURPOSE. It is not deceptive.

It appears to be aged because that was its purpose.

God did not try to sell earth. He created it for life..

did it take a billion years to mature.

or was it created COMPLETE
No one knows. What I believe is that for most non believers it is not for a lack of evidence to accept creation (whether young or old) but rather a lack of will to live a moral life. As we have already established God did create the heavens and the earth, we simply disagree on the when and how of it. I see no reason why God could not have used the natural effects of His creation to fulfill His will, from the big bang to the day He rested from creating.
 

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Well, that is not my intent in any way.

What we do know is that Job is the oldest book in the Bible and in Job 1"6 the "sons of God' were angels who came before God to report and Satan came with them.

Satan fell and it seems to me that that one event changed all of the universe.

Is it possible that There was a massive cataclysmic global judgement from God against the world of Lucifer (who became Satan) and his angels when they sinned by rebelling against God during this Pre-Adamic Age.

Then is it also within our ability to consider that Since then, God has confined Satan and his fallen angels them to earth and its heaven (earth’s atmosphere), awaiting their final judgement in the Lake of Fire.
I don’t see how a pre-Adamic ‘gap event’ (IF it even happened) would have any bearing on Adam and this generation.
 
No one knows. What I believe is that for most non believers it is not for a lack of evidence to accept creation (whether young or old) but rather a lack of will to live a moral life. As we have already established God did create the heavens and the earth, we simply disagree on the when and how of it. I see no reason why God could not have used the natural effects of His creation to fulfill His will, from the big bang to the day He rested from creating.
Yes I think rom 1 makes this clear. No science could prove god if you do not want to see him

in Israel he raised the dead. Yet they still crucified him
 
I don’t see how a pre-Adamic ‘gap event’ (IF it even happened) would have any bearing on Adam and this generation.

It would answer the question of.......Where did all of those animal bones come from?

It is impossible for the dinosaurs to have lived along side of Adam and Eve and there be zero information of them in the Bible record.
That is simply a no brainer.

No I may be completly wrong.......but I may be correct, but Genesis chapter one is not written as a comprehensive scientific document. In fact, it is a theological statement intended to explain God to his people.

To summarize Genesis chapter one extremely briefly:
1. God created the universe.
2. God created the earth and the heavenly objects, the sea, and dry land.
3. God then created life in the sea, the land and the air.
4. Last of all God created people.

This description leaves out a massive amount of detail for obvious reasons, but it is generally concordant with what we know from, geography, archeology and paleontology science. Creatures such as bacteria, trilobytes, dinosaurs and so forth which the Jews had no experience whatsoever of are not mentioned, both because they did not have vocabulary for these things and because it would have been confusing to unnecessarily mention creatures which they did not even know about.

So, the Bible does not help us at all with the question of when the dinosaurs lived, for obvious reasons, but scientific data tells us that they lived 240-65 million years ago.
 
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It would answer the question of.......Where did all of those animal bones come from?
(Joh 1:3) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
It is impossible for the dinosaurs to have lived along side of Adam and Eve and there be zero information of them in the Bible record.
That is simply a no brainer.
You know as well as I that Moses (through inspiration of the Holy Spirit) wrote Genesis, not Adam.

No I may be completly wrong.......but I may be correct, but Genesis chapter one is not written as a comprehensive scientific document. In fact, it is a theological statement intended to explain God to his people.
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to be clearly understood by his people through all generations, learned and unlearned, untechnical yet accurate.

To summarize Genesis chapter one extremely briefly:
1. God created the universe.
2. God created the earth and the heavenly objects, the sea, and dry land.
3. God then created life in the sea, the land and the air.
4. Last of all God created people.
ok

This description leaves out a massive amount of detail for obvious reasons, but it is generally concordant with what we know from, geography, archeology and paleontology science. Creatures such as bacteria, trilobytes, dinosaurs and so forth which the Jews had no experience whatsoever of are not mentioned, both because they did not have vocabulary for these things and because it would have been confusing to unnecessarily mention creatures which they did not even know about.
Those so called sciences have been very fluid, especially since evolutionary theory has taken hold...See post #1 (esp point #9) of this thread challenging long cherished assumptions of the scientific community.

Nope, I'd rather stick with what is written and not traipse off into the speculative.
 
(Joh 1:3) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

You know as well as I that Moses (through inspiration of the Holy Spirit) wrote Genesis, not Adam.


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to be clearly understood by his people through all generations, learned and unlearned, untechnical yet accurate.


ok


Those so called sciences have been very fluid, especially since evolutionary theory has taken hold...See post #1 (esp point #9) of this thread challenging long cherished assumptions of the scientific community.

Nope, I'd rather stick with what is written and not traipse off into the speculative.

OK.
 
(Joh 1:3) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.

You know as well as I that Moses (through inspiration of the Holy Spirit) wrote Genesis, not Adam.


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to be clearly understood by his people through all generations, learned and unlearned, untechnical yet accurate.


ok


Those so called sciences have been very fluid, especially since evolutionary theory has taken hold...See post #1 (esp point #9) of this thread challenging long cherished assumptions of the scientific community.

Nope, I'd rather stick with what is written and not traipse off into the speculative.
If there’s one thing we can all agree on, it’s that God created the Heavens and the Earth regardless of how long it took. John 1 talks about “the Word.” The Word is actually Jesus and explains how the Word was with God from the beginning and through Him all things were made. Creation itself is Christlike because it was made through Jesus. Since nature and God’s creation is Christlike, then Job 12:7-10 is true when it says,..... “
“But ask the animals, and they will teach you, or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you; 8 or speak to the earth, and it will teach you, or let the fish in the sea inform you. 9 Which of all these does not know that the hand of the LORD has done this? 10 In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind.”

Many choose to ignore climate change because they feel it does not line up with the Bible. However, if nature can tell us things straight from God, maybe he’s trying to tell us something through climate change.

Now as I said..........I may be completely wrong and all are welcome to ignore my ramblings, but over the years I have come to realize that
If the biblical explanations of creation were at the level, say, of 20th century understnading, it would likely be unintelligible to everyone, including scientists today. This could scarcely have been God's intention. He wished His meaning to be accessible to all especially for those in the days that the Creation story was given. NO ONE in that day even knew what a human cell was or a bacteria much less the Universe.

So then, keeping our faith in Christ in tact, is it then a possibility that the seven days of creation were written as a framework that might then indicate that there is more to the text than ordered sequence.????

Just consider..... what Genesis !:1 says LITERALLY = "In the 'the beginning'!
Is there something there that necessarily makes creation of the Earth take place in day one as is frequently assumed.
Could there be an opportunity to say that The initial creation took place before day???

A delayed beginning separate from God's day one separation of the light from the darkness gives readers pause to believe that the earth may have been created long before He began the literal seven, 24-hour days of creation. It also gives the reader pause to further explore the scientific makings of the earth and the universe.
 

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Just consider..... what Genesis !:1 says LITERALLY = "In the 'the beginning'!
Is there something there that necessarily makes creation of the Earth take place in day one as is frequently assumed.
Could there be an opportunity to say that The initial creation took place before day???
Seems to me God defined a ‘day’ as ‘evening and morning’. A term understood in any century, modern or ancient (although many ‘moderns’ have lost touch with common sense). To say in six days God created the heavens and the earth‘ would assume uniformity of time in each day. So to be consistent I don’t think there is opportunity to say some kind of creation took place before. If it did happen, apparently God chose not to reveal it and it is pure guess work on our part.
 
Seems to me God defined a ‘day’ as ‘evening and morning’. A term understood in any century, modern or ancient (although many ‘moderns’ have lost touch with common sense). To say in six days God created the heavens and the earth‘ would assume uniformity of time in each day. So to be consistent I don’t think there is opportunity to say some kind of creation took place before. If it did happen, apparently God chose not to reveal it and it is pure guess work on our part.

I agree. But that does answer the problem of them dagummed bones that no one seems able to answer of dead animals.
 
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