As an Israeli who is a believer and follower of Christ Jesus, I am ashamed of my fellow Israeli's! They need Christ!
Israel's Official Hatred of Christians
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This is why I stopped long ago donating to causes to help the migrants to Israel who are suffering hardships. I will support other Christians over there, but not the hardline Jews who hate us.
The hatred be a long one. All through the book of Acts did they hunt and persecute the Holy Church right up unto the present day. Why Christians support the rebuilding of new Jewish temple to sacrifice heifers and other animals all over again I not know. I can think of no greater abomination of trampling upon the sacrifice of Jesus Christ under their feet than to bring back the temple sacrifice. Christ did say of the final sacrifice. It is finished up on a cross 6 hrs one Friday did he not.
I know why so-called "Christian" ministers and ministries are supporting the building of that third temple, but that discussion is off limits.
MM
The special relationship between God and His people is through family, specifically the descendants of Abraham thru Jacob. The nation of Israel may bear the name given to Jacob, but the covenant is not with any political group. It is with Abraham and his progeny.
Even there, there is a distinction between the sons of Abraham through Hagar (a slave) and those by Keturah (a concubine) and Sarah, his 1st wife. The sons of Hagar were given material gifts and sent packing. All Abraham else had (including his place in the covenant) he gave to Jacob.
It is still wise to deal with the sons of Israel with respect for the covenant.
Even there, there is a distinction between the sons of Abraham through Hagar (a slave) and those by Keturah (a concubine) and Sarah, his 1st wife. The sons of Hagar were given material gifts and sent packing. All Abraham else had (including his place in the covenant) he gave to Jacob.
It is still wise to deal with the sons of Israel with respect for the covenant.
Hello Musicmaster;
Who are these so-called "Christian" ministers and ministries? Are they world wide?
God bless you, brother.
Greetings, Bob.
One of the more notable, and vocal about his support for the third temple, is John Hagee. Oh, yeah. He's REALLY big on the building of that temple.
What he and so many other are missing is that the return of Christ doesn't hinge upon the building date of that temple, it's all about when the fullness of the Gentiles is reached, and THEN the temple will be built. Putting the cart before the horse seems a common practice, given the misconceptions about prophecies.
MM
The Pharisees are still running the Jewish nation.
Building of a 3rd Temple is off limits. Are you sure about that ?????
Why would it be off limits????
There are several. Hagee is but one. They believe that it well hasten the 2nd Coming of Christ. Of course that is NONSENSE as the Bible says ALL things will be up to God and His timing has already been put into place.
However, there must be a 3rd Temple.
In 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul identifies the person who will desecrate the temple as the “man of lawlessness,” or the one we refer to today as the “antichrist.”
in 2nd Thess. 2:3-4 Paul tells us that........
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.”
The apostle tells us here that the coming desolator will be blasphemous against the Lord, sit in the “temple of God,” and “proclaim himself to be God.” Then he adds one essential detail about the one that will commit Daniel’s “abomination of desolation:” The Lord Jesus Himself will kill him at His Second Coming in 2 Thess. 2:8.......
“And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by the appearance of his coming.”
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But I do think for you that you be very much destined for the ministry the love. MM perhaps we shall one day meet in that place where there be no darkness. Where the lights remain 24/7 searching out your soul for final confession.
Yes there be many discussions off limits. The mystery of iniquity has many faces and does abound strong. Her people’s be amongst all religions, organisations and fraternities. Invitation only. For them It be the feast of the masquerade
But I do think for you that you be very much destined for the ministry the love. MM perhaps we shall one day meet in that place where there be no darkness. Where the lights remain 24/7 searching out your soul for final confession.That to which I was referring is the "reason" and "timing" as to where the Church is at the time the third temple is desecrated.
MM
Thanks. I now understand. One day you will be my age and then you will know how easy it is to get confused!
By the way............The rapture may occur before or after the temple is built. Scripture only requires that the temple be built by the middle of the tribulation. The only real answer will be personal experience. If Christians see the third temple built, then the rapture will occur later. If Christians are raptured and the temple does not exist in Jerusalem, then the temple will be built during the first part of the tribulation which follows.
Thanks. I now understand. One day you will be my age and then you will know how easy it is to get confused!
By the way............The rapture may occur before or after the temple is built. Scripture only requires that the temple be built by the middle of the tribulation. The only real answer will be personal experience. If Christians see the third temple built, then the rapture will occur later. If Christians are raptured and the temple does not exist in Jerusalem, then the temple will be built during the first part of the tribulation which follows.
Umm, I will avoid making reference to that four-letter word....
MM
The question of the temple being situated upon the dome of the rock has its critics. Ernest L Martin who did many Archeological digs in Jerusalem now deceased. He wrote many papers and books on the subject. He was convinced that the presently accepted location of the temple is actually fortress Antonia. The works of Josephus seem to verify what Dr Martin claims. Josephus was wrong in many other historical matters but his eye witness account of the destruction of Jerusalem and temple come across as truthful and verifiable. Though some translators have taken it upon themselves to change certain passages in Josephus’s account as merely being mistakes of the actual location. . . Many look upon Jerusalem as merely a dust bowl at the back end of the Roman Empire. Nothing could be further from the truth. It was a thriving metropolis as sophisticated in architecture and commerce as Rome itself. Herod does attest to that with his many architectural works. The Temple was not only a place of worship but had also become treasure house of the Jewish world. Money flowed into its coffers from throughout the world. The money changers in Christ’s time do attest to that. Sacred temples and holy places in ancient times were often seen as safe havens for one to store ones riches for that very reason because of the reverence given to their sacredness. When Christ said that not one stone would be left unturned upon the temples destruction. It could well mean literally. If Josephus’s account is correct upon destruction of the temple the coinage of silver and gold stored there now seeped into the very foundations of the complex itself. The very reason why the Romans made the now Jewish captives to dg the very foundations up. Anyway more food for thought upon the many mysteries of Jerusalem. 
I believe Galatians 4 hits the nail on the head regarding Israel's persecution of Christians...
Galatians 4:22-29 ESV
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. [23] But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. [24] Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. [25] Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. [26] But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. [27] For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband." [28] Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. [29] But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
IOW, those born from human effort (Ishmael), will persecute those born out of promise.(Isaac)
Galatians 4:22-29 ESV
For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. [23] But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. [24] Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mount Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. [25] Now Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. [26] But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. [27] For it is written, "Rejoice, O barren one who does not bear; break forth and cry aloud, you who are not in labor! For the children of the desolate one will be more than those of the one who has a husband." [28] Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. [29] But just as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.
IOW, those born from human effort (Ishmael), will persecute those born out of promise.(Isaac)
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I have doubts that the spring of water (Siloam?) ran up-hill 50+ feet to provide water to the temple had it been on what is now known to have been the Roman garrison plateau.
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