On What Basis?

[crossnote]

Some would say that God's written is God's spoken word wrapped in parchment and ink. I would mainly agree, although today it may be 0's and 1's on a silver screen.
But suppose God's voice was never conveyed to the Prophets and Apostles and written down? What kind of world would this be? One full of idols, fear, darkness and deep superstitions, where there would be no way to test the spirits, no matter what 'miracles' they performed. What hope after death would there be? Religions would be abundant but no Truth.
I would imagine violence would fill the land as it did in Noah's time.
What basis of law would the Judicial systems use?

Please add your insights.

 

[MatthewG]

Hello Crossnote, you ask this question : What basis of law would the Judicial system use if God was not interacting with his creation, guess that would not really matter.

Personally even with today how it is see no reason to get involved with politics, am thankful we do have a government system in place to take care of people who commit crimes and what not. And Government system that help others out, and some places for some people change their life around in jail.


What do you mean about testing spirits?

Are you talking about these Verses in 1 John 4:

There is a lot to behold in these verses when it comes to trying to test spirits.

Johns first letter was intended for several churches in Asia minor- perhaps including, but not limited to, the seven churches of Revelation, Ephesus, Smyrna, Thyatria, Pergamum, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. Most Scholars agree, 1, 2 , and 3 John were written at the same time as Gospel of John, from 85, to 95 ad. My self believe it was written before 70 ad, but really do not know.

Back in this day, the Gnostics would say that Jesus Christ had come but he was not really real, he was a Ghost and he basically tricked others. From some of the information that has been made known to me. A spirit that is of God, is who claims that Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, and that Jesus Christ did come in the flesh, and a person of God that believes on the Son of God and is someone who loves.​

1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

4 Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.

5 They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them.

6 We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.

8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.

9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him.

10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another.

12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit.

14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

19 We love because he first loved us.

20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot[a] love God whom he has not seen.

21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

 

[bobinfaith]

Some would say that God's written is God's spoken word wrapped in parchment and ink. I would mainly agree, although today it may be 0's and 1's on a silver screen.
But suppose God's voice was never conveyed to the Prophets and Apostles and written down? What kind of world would this be? One full of idols, fear, darkness and deep superstitions, where there would be no way to test the spirits, no matter what 'miracles' they performed. What hope after death would there be? Religions would be abundant but no Truth.
I would imagine violence would fill the land as it did in Noah's time.
What basis of law would the Judicial systems use?

Please add your insights.

Hello crossnote;

I'm currently watching The Bible about the chronological events from Genesis 1 through Acts. What you posted is something I think about often.

What if Jesus didn't go to the cross? What if God's voice was never conveyed to the Prophets and Apostles?

As a Christian I feel it's important we stay current with world events as much as possible, not so much to form an opinion but to be aware of the happenings in these times.

What if we never had God's commands or order? Would we be a version of the "wild west," relying on our own process of development and civilization?

Yes, I ponder on the things you pointed out, but while watching Jesus die and rise again after 3 days gave me a sigh of relief, and thanksgiving that our Savior set the foundation for our lives through God's voice and Word.

God bless you, crossnote, and thank you for sharing this topic.

 

[Major]

Some would say that God's written is God's spoken word wrapped in parchment and ink. I would mainly agree, although today it may be 0's and 1's on a silver screen.
But suppose God's voice was never conveyed to the Prophets and Apostles and written down? What kind of world would this be? One full of idols, fear, darkness and deep superstitions, where there would be no way to test the spirits, no matter what 'miracles' they performed. What hope after death would there be? Religions would be abundant but no Truth.
I would imagine violence would fill the land as it did in Noah's time.
What basis of law would the Judicial systems use?

Please add your insights.

I have a good idea that it would be a lot like Genesis 6:5-7...........
"And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

 

[crossnote]

What do you mean about testing spirits?

That may have been a bit misleading, but I meant 'how would we be able to discern if someone was speaking truth? We'd have no standard'.

 

[crossnote]

What if Jesus didn't go to the cross? What if God's voice was never conveyed to the Prophets and Apostles?

Yes, I ponder on the things you pointed out, but while watching Jesus die and rise again after 3 days gave me a sigh of relief, and thanksgiving that our Savior set the foundation for our lives through God's voice and Word.

Bob, I would think that without the written testimony (1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God), even if Jesus had died for our sins, the record, down through the years would have gotten so distorted that the epic event would be a distant memory, if not totally obliterated as well as it's significance twisted beyond recognition as laid out in the Epistles.

 

[bobinfaith]

Bob, I would think that without the written testimony (1 John 5:13 (KJV) These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God), even if Jesus had died for our sins, the record, down through the years would have gotten so distorted that the epic event would be a distant memory, if not totally obliterated as well as it's significance twisted beyond recognition as laid out in the Epistles.

I agree, crossnote. I'd like to add my thoughts that this is something we all should think about. I have a 3 year old niece, a 15 and 17 year old nephews who live with us along with their parents. I ask myself, am I sharing the things He has written to them, and will they grow more to believe in their times?

Do you also ask yourself, (or ourselves,) are we doing and can we do more to reach the next generations for Christ when we go ahead one day?

I take this very serious but remain encouraged.

 

[crossnote]

I agree, crossnote. I'd like to add my thoughts that this is something we all should think about. I have a 3 year old niece, a 15 and 17 year old nephews who live with us along with their parents. I ask myself, am I sharing the things He has written to them, and will they grow more to believe in their times?

Do you also ask yourself, (or ourselves,) are we doing and can we do more to reach the next generations for Christ when we go ahead one day?

I take this very serious but remain encouraged.

Bob, sort of a different direction, but I'll attempt this.
(actually I'm probably the wrong one to ask)
We raised our daughter from birth on Bible Stories, we homeschooled her, talked often about the Lord at the table. Went to Church etc. etc. and yet all it took was a few years at college and she ended up in witchcraft and other non Christian pursuits.
There really is no pat formula as each child is different and are on different trajectories.

 

[MatthewG]

Okay, understood crossnote.

That does make a lot of sense putting it that way, I meant 'how would we be able to discern if someone was speaking truth? We'd have no standard'.

It would be very hard for people to understand truth if there was no foundational truth for them to stand on. Though for believers the foundation is most certainly Christ Jesus. See that even raising up a child in this world even on bible stories and trying to keep them on the right path, and once they reach out in to the world it can easily corrupt them by it is own ways of what it expresses as the truth.

The world is easily defined as : Lust of the Eyes, Lust of the Flesh, Pride of Life. This all life living in the world provides. It is very hard to deal with especially after having had tasted of the truth and instead of clinging to the Lord, sometimes we tend to just let go of him, and follow our own way for a little while at least sometimes.

Hope one day for your daughter to see and come back home into the light and truth of the Lord Jesus just as the prodigal son/daughter had did, in which the Father accepted gladly back home rejoicing.

May the Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, Love of God, and the Fellowship of the holy spirit be with you brother, and take care.

 

[CPerkins]

What basis of law would the Judicial systems use?

Please add your insights.

I believe there would be far greater diversity in laws found in the world. Many of the laws of the Bible formed common law in Western nations and other countries as well originally coming from God's standards.

In general moral standards would be different around the world as well, I believe.

Thankfully it is not the case and we have God's written word.

 

[crossnote]

I believe there would be far greater diversity in laws found in the world. Many of the laws of the Bible formed common law in Western nations and other countries as well originally coming from God's standards.

'Diversity in laws' is probably an understatement. In the world of Humanism, who would decide what laws and how they would be implemented? The tribal leader? Local witch doctor?

In general moral standards would be different around the world as well, I believe.

Yet men's consciences would sting for the same transgressions. 'Different standards' is an oxymoron of sorts.

Thankfully it is not the case and we have God's written word.

Now we have it. Let's cherish it while we still do.
If Cancel Culture has it's way, the Bible will end up in the same pile as Uncle Remus, Dr. Seuss and Trump's tweets.

 

[Major]

'Diversity in laws' is probably an understatement. In the world of Humanism, who would decide what laws and how they would be implemented? The tribal leader? Local witch doctor?


Yet men's consciences would sting for the same transgressions. 'Different standards' is an oxymoron of sorts.

Now we have it. Let's cherish it while we still do.
If Cancel Culture has it's way, the Bible will end up in the same pile as Uncle Remus, Dr. Seuss and Trump's tweets.

If it continues, At its core, cancel culture is nothing more than a breeding ground for toxicity that hides behind a façade of moral righteousness.

The social media phenominin has created it. The few yell the loudest and get what they want.

 

[crossnote]

If it continues, At its core, cancel culture is nothing more than a breeding ground for toxicity that hides behind a façade of moral righteousness.

The social media phenominin has created it. The few yell the loudest and get what they want.

<---this is me YELLowING

 

[Lanolin]

Let's say all of Paul's letters got lost and he had no way of communicating to the various mediterranean churches before he got there.
Well after a few years people would have forgotten a lot of what they remembered if they never wrote it down and he never wrote anything either, the church would have been over before it began.

There is a reason we call the Bible 'Scriptures'. There is a reason God wrote the ten commandments with his finger in stone. There is a reason that Mose wrote the first five books that make up the Torah. And there is a reason why there are four gospels translated into many languages.

 

[MatthewG]

That would suck if all the letters Paul, and James, and John, and Peter all go lost or thrown out of the Bible Lanolin. There are so many great promises.

Crossnote, you should know that Bible will never go away; for Jesus Christ words will never pass away. Though we may die we will all be resurrected when believe on Him. Though even people don’t believe they will still be resurrected.

The scripture today is for our comfort and for us to be able to trust in the promises of God and the stories of Jesus Christ are so we are fed spiritually and that God may renew our hearts and minds.

There are many people who believe in the end of the world government and one world will come around and that even Satan with govern us all and if we do not submit will be persecuted and die for our the faith, in which it is true in some countries that does tend to happen that extermination of Christians do happen to some by radical extremists.

Those Christians are more than willingly to die to get out of their situations of course it is sad but it would be hard to deny the fact of its existence.


The world is fallen yet redeemed by the bloodshed of Christ Jesus, some believe, and some will not, and human nature is corrupted and only fixed by coming to the Lord Jesus Christ as you can see in the stories we all come to Jesus Christ with something wrong with us.

Jesus Christ did not call to those who think they are righteous but those who know they are sinners, and he died and God raised him again for the entire world. That it might be saved through him.

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[crossnote]

Crossnote, you should know that Bible will never go away; for Jesus Christ words will never pass away. Though we may die we will all be resurrected when believe on Him.

I know those things, but the purpose of this thread is to get us to think about and not just take for granite the importance of God's written Word in our lives.

 

[Garee]

As one person offered.

Genesis 6:5-7........... "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart."

Where there is no written law people perish .

Proverbs 29:18 Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.

Mankind gone wild. Like the 1990 film "Lord of the Flies" .

What we need is spiritual of living words spoken of in John 6. Looking to the flesh the temporal corrupted profits for zero. We rightly divide them as they are written. . they can if he applies it as it is writen empowering us to search for the understanding.

Because God is no longer adding to His written record we understand we have it in whole or perfect. . no longer in part after the last Book. There are no laws missing by which we could know God who is not a man and more intimately

In that way any person that made claims to “I heard in a dream” or “saw a vision” we are to believe not. He warned before the closing of as it is written .The one source of Christian faith

 

[crossnote]

Where there is no written law people perish .

How would you compare your statement with this?...

Romans 2:14-15 (NASB) For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,