Just that I tried to post this thread on 2 different occasions.
Pray that ye be counted worthy to stand when Jesus comes back in the clouds in power and glory and all His angels by His side.I am sorry my brother but I am going to have to reject your thesis.
The Christian is "Prepared" for the coming of Christ to remove His children before the A/C is revealed and before the Tribulation period. I do not say that on my own accord but instead because that is what the Bible teaches us.
I Thessalonians 5:9 ..............
"For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ".
What then is the "wrath" of God?
Zephaniah 1:14-15 & 18..........
"The great day of the LORD is near, it is near, and hasenteth , even the voice of the day of the LORD: . . . 15: That day is a day of wrath, . . a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, . . . 18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD's wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land".
A close and deep study of the Scriptures show us that the word "Wrath" almost always refers to the anger of God against the unrighteous that results in punishment.
The seven year period of Tribulation on earth right after the Rapture will be a time of God’s wrath on earth like never before. He will judge the nations and through this self-same judgment bring Israel back in faith believing.
Rev. 6:17 says...............
“For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”
But concerning His bride, the Church, the Scriptures say in 1 Thess. 1:10......
“And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.”
Then in Rev. 3:10 Jesus promised .........
“Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.”
I appreciate your promises and I know you mean well, but I for one am going to stick with the promises Jesus made.
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* The Lord Jesus Christ has already overcome sin. Sin no longer has dominion over us.
What we do have to do is submit ourselves to God and resist the devil, and he will flee from us.
Notice that submitting ourselves to God comes before resisting.
Satan’s lie: The spiritual power gifts were not needed after the Canon was available
1 Corinthians 13:8-10 does NOT refer to the time when the Bible is available.
IMO, almost all of the older denominations have now retracted from their long-held position.
And the newer Bible translations have corrected the long-held misunderstanding of the KJV.
1 Cor 13:10
KJV • “But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”
NASB • “but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.”
NIV • “but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.”
NLT • “But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.”
NCV • “But when perfection comes, the things that are not perfect will end.”
TLB • “But when we have been made perfect and complete, then the need for
these inadequate special gifts will come to an end, and they will disappear.”
Hi Major,There are only two perfect things that have come.
1). Jesus Christ
2). The Bible.
1 Corth. 13:8 sums it up clearly...............
"Charity never fails; but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail, whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall fade away".
Since to teleion ("the perfect") is the counterpart to to ek rmerous ("that which is in part"), it is absolutely clear that the "perfect" also refers to those same verbs. Therefore, the word "perfect" describes the completion of inspired preaching and points to the consequent cessation of the spiritual gifts which enabled and confirmed that preaching.
I am well aware that a lot of people do not want to accept that, but it is none the less the truth of Greek grammar.
Pray that ye be counted worthy to stand when Jesus comes back in the clouds in power and glory and all His angels by His side.
And pray that ye be counted worthy to escape the day the Lord pours His wrath upon this earth.
Good point. Let me see if I can expand this a little based on your comment.Hi Major,
People do tend to trip over words and Perfect is truly one of those words.
OK we all Agree that God is Perfect and His most Holy Written Word is Perfect.
........With God truly being the definition of Perfect. .....how then can we claim anything or anyone else to be perfect......to do so would Truly Bring God Down to the level of anything else and that ain't gonna happen.
Now since people trip up on words so easily, you would think they would research these words and learn what they meant when they were First Spoken and First Written.
If you do so then you will find that the use of the word Perfect in God's Word is really Perfected.
Such as perfect heart.....perfected unto God's Word and ways of thinking.
We All need more Perfecting when it comes to the things of God and even if we lived a thousand years we would simply not be able to ever gain all there is.
Blessings my Brother
- The Greek adjective translated "perfect" (teleios) means "having attained the end or purpose, complete."'
100 AD - present.....Revelation complete, Bible finished in 96 AD. Gifts ceasing is equated directly with a man doing away with childish things.
Not sure I follow you here on this one.
Gifts of the Spirited compared to childish things? Am I reading this correctly?
It is a comparison based on 1 Corth. 13:8-11.
Verse #11 says......
"When I was a child I spake as a child and I understood as a child, but when I became a man I put away childish things."
That is Paul comparing the "sign Gifts" of verse #8 to his comment in verse # 10 which is the focus of the thread where he said............
"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away with."