- Dec 24, 2013
I apologize if this has already been discussed, but can someone point me to some Bible verses that support whether the rapture is going to be pre-tribulation or post?
Answer: people have a free-will; which lends to creating personal opinions; which has a tendency to be influenced by our 'vain imaginations'.That's what I was wondering (if it can be resolved). A lot of the questions I have seem to be things that have differing opinions. How can such a basic thing be so hard to pinpoint, though?
Post-Millennialism teaches that everything is getting better. I think just looking around us in this world makes it self-evident that everything is getting worse. More Christians have been martyred in the 20th century than in all of history combined.I am attending a church that teaches post-millennialism and our pastor uses the fulfillment of OT prophecy to show how Jesus is reigning now as King-- I used to believe in pre-trib eschatology but this makes more sense as a whole to me. I think people make a lot of assumptions about what they think Gods word is saying about what is to come. I'm not sure what is true tho--- I continue to study my Bible and put my trust in Jesus-- his will will be accomplished regardless of what's to come!!
What do you all think of hank hanegraff ? He also holds this type of view on eschatology and I've always felt he spoke truth.
Thank you for the info. I continue to pray and seek Gods will in this area. I've learned that as long as my eyes are focused on Him then all will be ok. It is curious how people can have such radically different views of end timesPost-Millennialism teaches that everything is getting better. I think just looking around us in this world makes it self-evident that everything is getting worse. More Christians have been martyred in the 20th century than in all of history combined.
Hank Hanegraaff's views on Revelation depend on the idea that it was written before 70 AD. The general consensus among scholars is that Revelation was written after 70 AD and I think the evidence for that is much weightier.
But these are things people will continue to disagree on till Jesus returns.
scripture seems to support mid-trib ..I apologize if this has already been discussed, but can someone point me to some Bible verses that support whether the rapture is going to be pre-tribulation or post?
Isa 65:20 No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
That verse, if taken literally, is clearly referring to a future time, that is, the Millennium.
I concur .. and meaning disease does not rule ..
(which has some interesting ramifications of satan being bound and in the abyss at that point)
Now, if all believers are changed into a spiritual body at the second coming, and all the wicked are destroyed, then that will not leave any flesh beings to go into the Millennial Kingdom.
scripture says the Saints are raptured, then others will be martyred afterward ..
then Christ comes .. it says He then rules over the nations with the saints ..
so people WILL live from this "generation" (as Jesus predicted "this generation would" would see the events of the trib) into "the 2nd generation" (aka millenium rule) .. and all the people not gathered to the antiChrist in Israel (notice it says "armies gathered") will also still be alive ..
Clearly flesh beings will be in the Millennial Kingdom if people are still dying (for the young man shall die a hundred years old). A pre-trib rapture solves this dilemma. If believers are changed into spiritual bodies at the rapture before the tribulation, then after the tribulation when Jesus returns, those who were saved during the tribulation will enter into the Millennial Kingdom in their flesh bodies.
why would God put the perishable back on those whom He granted to put on the imparishable ???
And while it is true that the Church has always endured tribulation from the enemy, the wrath that is coming is going to be poured out by God, and I just dont see how the Church fits into that.
the "first fruits" don't .. wrath comes, then a new age begins, and those are the 2nd fruits from the 2nd generation (generating period) .. when you plant (year 0) the 1st crop takes 2x as long (2000 yrs) as the 2nd crop (millenium) because to produce the first crop/fruits the root system must be established ..
There are more reasons than just this to believe in a pre-trib rapture.
I dont believe its an issue that should cause division among Christians though.
I concur .. how we live now is where our focus should be ..
as scripture says He who has an ear hear what the Spirit is saying ..
God Bless you ..