Romans 7 Part Three

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Noblemen

A prerequisite to understanding Romans seven is to know who or what the characters of Roman seven represent. What I mean by this is who\what does the woman in Romans seven represent? Who\what does the first husband represent? Who\what is the old man, Romans six etc.?

Prominent Characters of Romans seven.

Woman = Soul\mind – 7:2
First Husband = Sin nature – 7:3.
Another Man = new Christ inyou nature (Christ in you – 7:3.
Old Man = Old Sin Nature – 6:6.
Christ = New (Christ in you) Nature– 7:25.
Marriage is equivalent to a union – 7:2–3.

The former union between the individuals soul/mind and sin nature was legally dissolved because of the death of the old man (sin nature). Upon the death of the old man (sin nature) the woman soul/mind did not die but remained unchanged and alive. She was now free to be married (joined in union) to Him who was raised from the dead. The woman's union with another man (Christ) could not exist as long as the old man( first husband) remained alive. This is very unmistakably ex-plained in verse three. "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulterous: but if her husband be dead, she is free from the law; so that she is no adulterous, though she be married to another man" Romans 7:3.
If her husband be dead she is free and if her husband is not dead she is not free to be married to another. If the old man remained alive while she was joined unto another man (Christ) it would mean that she had two husbands simultaneously. This is known as adultery and the penalty for adultery was death by stoning. This means that the union (marriage) between the soul\mind and the sin nature was totally and completely once and forever dissolved upon the death of the old man/sin nature.

That union\marriage was gone forever because of the death of one of the individuals (old man ) that comprised the union. To say that the born-again believer is still joined to the sin nature is saying that the cross was an effective and that Christ is an adulterer. Of course this is fallacy and totally absurd to think in this manner. The problem now with the born-again believer is a mind problem (woman) and no longer a sin nature (old man) problem. The woman (mind) is still permeated with the memories of the former marriage\union and therein lies the problem. If the cross did not totally destroy the "oldman" then there was no need for Christ to have died on the cross.
 
Sorry, but the first husband is the law of sin. The death of the law allows her, the church, to be wedded to Christ, freedom from the law thru grace.
Paul gives the analogy only to make the point that everyone can agree with, and that is, once there is a death in a marriage, the parties are free from the marriage vows and any laws governing marriage. Paul uses marriage as an analogy of Christians, who have died with Christ, are now free from the bindings with our sin nature. We are not required to stay with our sin nature and now can pursue the Spirit, walking in the Spirit and not in the flesh.
Paul goes on though to describe how his mind is on spiritual things, yet his flesh still does what is wrong.
Letting the Spirit lead is the only recourse. The marriage to Christ has not happened yet. We are engaged as the Church and we must make ourselves ready.
 
Come on guys help me out a little, study. You shoot from the hip with no understanding its like talking to babes. Wean yourself off the milk and get in the game. You slam everything everybody says unless its some shallow deal, really.
 
Noblemen said:
A prerequisite to understanding Romans seven is to know who or what the characters of Roman seven represent. What I mean by this is who\what does the woman in Romans seven represent? Who\what does the first husband represent? Who\what is the old man, Romans six etc.?

Prominent Characters of Romans seven.

Woman = Soul\mind – 7:2
First Husband = Sin nature – 7:3.
Another Man = new Christ inyou nature (Christ in you – 7:3.
Old Man = Old Sin Nature – 6:6.
Christ = New (Christ in you) Nature– 7:25.
Marriage is equivalent to a union – 7:2–3.

The former union between the individuals soul/mind and sin nature was legally dissolved because of the death of the old man (sin nature). Upon the death of the old man (sin nature) the woman soul/mind did not die but remained unchanged and alive. She was now free to be married (joined in union) to Him who was raised from the dead. The woman's union with another man (Christ) could not exist as long as the old man( first husband) remained alive. This is very unmistakably ex-plained in verse three. "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulterous: but if her husband be dead, she is free from the law; so that she is no adulterous, though she be married to another man" Romans 7:3.
If her husband be dead she is free and if her husband is not dead she is not free to be married to another. If the old man remained alive while she was joined unto another man (Christ) it would mean that she had two husbands simultaneously. This is known as adultery and the penalty for adultery was death by stoning. This means that the union (marriage) between the soul\mind and the sin nature was totally and completely once and forever dissolved upon the death of the old man/sin nature.

That union\marriage was gone forever because of the death of one of the individuals (old man ) that comprised the union. To say that the born-again believer is still joined to the sin nature is saying that the cross was an effective and that Christ is an adulterer. Of course this is fallacy and totally absurd to think in this manner. The problem now with the born-again believer is a mind problem (woman) and no longer a sin nature (old man) problem. The woman (mind) is still permeated with the memories of the former marriage\union and therein lies the problem. If the cross did not totally destroy the "oldman" then there was no need for Christ to have died on the cross.
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I accept your challenge!!! I will be glad to dig into this position you have presented. I will not shoot from the hip but instead right from the Word of God.

HOLY MOLLEY!!! I have over the years seen some extreme examples of people who work hard to SPIRITUALIZE away the truth of God's Word BUT this one is the best (Worst) I have seen.

Lets see if we can work this through.
Comment was made that............"Woman = Soul\mind – 7:2".

The actual words in 7:2 are....
"For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband."

So we see clearly that there is NO mention or reference to the woman being the Soul/mind of anything. Woman = WOMAN.

I submit to all of you that the WOMAN in that verse is exactly that...A WOMAN (Wife). Paul is using marriage to show that the woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives but when he dies she is discharged from the law of her husband. In other words she is no longer married to him.

Then we have............"First Husband = Sin nature – 7:3.

The actual words in the Bible are ...........
"So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man".

Again there is no mention at all of a SIN NATURE. This is as self explanatory and as perfectly clear as was verse #2.
IF a married woman marries another man other than her 1st husband while that 1st husband is alive, she is guilty of adultery!!!!
Before her HUSBAND (Man) died she was truly a wife; but after the husband's (Man) death she is no longer his wife. She is a woman. This is a universal principle among civilized peoples.

Another Man = new Christ inyou nature (Christ in you – 7:3.

Actual words of the Scripture are once again......
"So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man".

Absolutley no possible way to make this "Another man" anything but .....'ANOTHER MAN". Paul is simply amplifying the law of the husband and wife.

Then we have Old Man = Old Sin Nature – 6:6.

All of a sudden we go from explaining chapter 7 to interjecting a verse out of chapter #6. That is called "Contextual Contamination". In other words.......so as to MAKE a personal thought seem more acceptable a verse or word is brought in completely out of context to prove that point.

The word in 6:6 in the original Greek for "old man" is translated as ......."TO MAKE OF NONE EFFECT-PARALYZED".
That verse certainly confirms that Paul is talking about the OLD MAN which is our old sin nature but he is not saying that it is eradicated!!!!!!!!

He is instead saying what I have said along with most everyone else is that sin has been placed in a position so that now as believers we should not be in bondage to sin.

Then my friend go on to say..........Christ = New (Christ in you) Nature– 7:25.

What are the actual words of that verse???
"So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin."

LOOK at the words..........."I myself serve the law of God----BUT with the flesh the law of sin".

These words then actually PROVE that the sin nature is NOT eradicated but stays with us. READ IT my brother!!!!!
Paul is confirming that these two unchanging characters of Gods law and SIN are within him. God's law is dear to our renewed mind and we as believers are willing and able to serve our new man who is of course Christ. BUT......that corrupt sin nature remains in Paul as it does YOU and ME and it listens to the dictates of sin.

THAT is what Paul is saying my friend.

Then we have in closing..........Marriage is equivalent to a union – 7:2–3.

YES it is. Marriage is the union that God established with Adam and Eve in the very beginning.
I spoke to this in the very beginning and it does not change here.

IMO, you spent a lot of time to prove that the SIN NATURE does indeed stay with man until we receive a glorified body of no corruption. Again, read Romans 7:25 which you chose and it says exactly that as clearly as can be said.
 
Noblemen said:
Come on guys help me out a little, study. You shoot from the hip with no understanding its like talking to babes. Wean yourself off the milk and get in the game. You slam everything everybody says unless its some shallow deal, really.
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"Come on guys help me out a little, study"..................ROFL:LOL::ROFLMAO::LOL::ROFLMAO:!!!
 
Noblemen said:
A prerequisite to understanding Romans seven is to know who or what the characters of Roman seven represent. What I mean by this is who\what does the woman in Romans seven represent? Who\what does the first husband represent? Who\what is the old man, Romans six etc.?

Prominent Characters of Romans seven.

Woman = Soul\mind – 7:2
First Husband = Sin nature – 7:3.
Another Man = new Christ inyou nature (Christ in you – 7:3.
Old Man = Old Sin Nature – 6:6.
Christ = New (Christ in you) Nature– 7:25.
Marriage is equivalent to a union – 7:2–3.

The former union between the individuals soul/mind and sin nature was legally dissolved because of the death of the old man (sin nature). Upon the death of the old man (sin nature) the woman soul/mind did not die but remained unchanged and alive. She was now free to be married (joined in union) to Him who was raised from the dead. The woman's union with another man (Christ) could not exist as long as the old man( first husband) remained alive. This is very unmistakably ex-plained in verse three. "So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulterous: but if her husband be dead, she is free from the law; so that she is no adulterous, though she be married to another man" Romans 7:3.
If her husband be dead she is free and if her husband is not dead she is not free to be married to another. If the old man remained alive while she was joined unto another man (Christ) it would mean that she had two husbands simultaneously. This is known as adultery and the penalty for adultery was death by stoning. This means that the union (marriage) between the soul\mind and the sin nature was totally and completely once and forever dissolved upon the death of the old man/sin nature.

That union\marriage was gone forever because of the death of one of the individuals (old man ) that comprised the union. To say that the born-again believer is still joined to the sin nature is saying that the cross was an effective and that Christ is an adulterer. Of course this is fallacy and totally absurd to think in this manner. The problem now with the born-again believer is a mind problem (woman) and no longer a sin nature (old man) problem. The woman (mind) is still permeated with the memories of the former marriage\union and therein lies the problem. If the cross did not totally destroy the "oldman" then there was no need for Christ to have died on the cross.
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I am really blessed by the wisdom that God has given you, and the way that the Holy Spirit writes othings through you in a down to earth way that is easy to understand.

Blessings of grace and peace be yours in abundance!
And thank you for obeying the Lord and putting it where we can read it.
 
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