- Jul 25, 2013
What was his beef with Lincoln?
His beef with Lincoln was he saw Lincoln as tyrannical in that he treated individuals and states as one unit rather than as free. While Spooner was no supporter of the Confederacy for obvious reasons, he did believe the South has every right to secede. He was extremely against taxation and believe the tariffs Lincoln threw on the southern ports was criminal. But when Lincoln waged war on his own country, he saw that as the final nail in the coffin for him.What was his beef with Lincoln?
Kurt, I think everything that could be said positive about Lincoln has already been said about a million times. Most of us learned about Lincoln the same way in grade school.Nobody is perfect. I'm not going to defend Lincoln here. I stoppped endorsing men a long time ago, but you may want to balance out your reading material a bit. There might be a reason why this Lysander guy was "written out of the history books."
Okay well I guess I'm ignorant, arrogant, and judgmental then. In fact, for all further disagreements with anyone else in the forum, I'll go ahead and concede right now that I am ignorant, arrogant, AND judgmental since those seem to be the labels often slung around here... just so we can get that out of the way.Kurt, I think everything that could be said positive about Lincoln has already been said about a million times. Most of us learned about Lincoln the same way in grade school.
Lincoln is much more morally ambiguous and complex than we were taught in the 4th grade. To suggest I hold this position because my reading material is imbalanced is not only arrogant and ignorant, it's also judgmental. This public information didn't come strictly from Spooner, it came from multiple sources -- I just credit him as being the most fascinating.
Perhaps Spooner was written out of history books and Lincoln's history was re-written because the establishment relies on it. How often do we hear people say "Even Lincoln imprisoned people without a fair trial" or "Even Lincoln said the Constitution had to be violated in order to save it." It's no wonder perhaps they would want you to hold Lincoln on such a high regard. Hitler praising Lincoln for the effort to dissolving rights of the states in Mein Kampf seems to be no red flag.
Again, my only position is that Lincoln is a much more ambiguous figure. You are free to feel however you wish, but please leave the condescending statements aside.
Kurt, don't put yourself up as a martyr. I didn't say you were arrogant, ignorant, and judgmental. However, to come to a conclusion the way you did based on my simply giving an answer to your question was ignorant, arrogant, and was judgmental as you concluded something not only false, but unfair. You're a better person than that.Okay well I guess I'm ignorant, arrogant, and judgmental then. In fact, for all further disagreements with anyone else in the forum, I'll go ahead and concede right now that I am ignorant, arrogant, AND judgmental since those seem to be the labels often slung around here... just so we can get that out of the way.
Again, I'm not defending the man. EVERYONE has faults, including Lincoln. The scope of my knowledge of Lincoln extends past the 4th grade... enough to know that the challenges of being the President of the United States are vast, especially when the country is about to implode during your watch. I also know that the Spooner's beef with Lincoln (at least what you described in post #6) does not reflect the whole truth of Lincoln. But then again, I'm ignorant, and so are all the other historians that record Lincoln's positive actions and attributes apparently, so what do I know?