The crazy stories and predictions out there concerning AI (Artificial Intelligence) have become so blown out of proportion when it comes to the development of that phenomenon. Man, in his seemingly infinite pride, thinks that he will achieve building a form of intelligence that will become "sentient," which is pure folly. Mankind isn't capable of developing such. Any programming man builds will only be a reflection of that programmer and/or the defining parameters for that program.

Granted, the program, within the constraints placed upon it by way of limited, human intelligence, and the programmed scope of the programming, can and will function much faster and be capable of overseeing more lines of input than the human brain could ever perform. That doesn't, however, equate to intelligence in the sense of it being "sentient;" self aware.

As a scientist and programmer, I think it safe to say that the only way a program could output any unpredictable outcome is the element of "randomness" between choices within a range of allowances within the programming. The massive size of AI programming is nothing more than more parameters to choose from, given the inputs.

If you recall the claim we've probably all heard since we were kids, in that we humans only use about 10% of our brains, how, then, would we have the ability to program sentience with such a limitation. I'll even venture to say that the ability to use 100% of our limited brains would still not be enough to program sentience given that we cannot program a "soul" and a "spirit." The idea that animals have self-awareness as does humanity...no. We are special; totally set apart from the animal kingdom. To say otherwise would be for me to call you as being no better than an animal, and I cannot do that since we all know that only WE have the image of God, not animals.

Those out there who like to think of themselves as only just another animal, they can go for it. I will not bring down the image of God down to that level.

So, please don't get worried that man will crate something as seen in the Terminator series. If a computer program goes "rogue," that's only going to happen within the constraints if what's programmed into it. If they are foolish enough to allow the program to develop it's own parameters from inputs and internal programming information, without any moral compass, then the program could then indeed do some unpredictable things that may do harm, but the blame for that lands squarely on the programmers and their management, not the program itself since it has no sentient, reasoning skills beyond what limited capabilities limited humans are able to put into it.

MM
 
I will say, however, that anything fallen mankind creates is always concerning. Totalitarianism, corrupted Communism, Socialism, Fascism, and all the other -isms of history, all are creations of man and demons, therefore the reason AI has many level of concern, but the fear for sentience...no. The software will always and forever be a reflection of the fallenness of man, which has its own reasoning for fear without adding to that the element of sentience.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God.

MM
 
Hello Musicmaster;

It's another God given morning and here I am enjoying my Guata coffee and reading The AI Craze. lol!

You write a good thread to reflect on and it reminded me of the January 28th 1986 Space Challenger Shuttle explosion. I was working for a large aerospace manufacturer. We were a contractor for parts on the shuttle. I was coming back from lunch when the whole plant was very solemn. Seven crew members died instantly that day. It was devastating for our country.

On December 31, 1999 Y2K brought fear to industrialized computers and our personal computers because the programmers created a 2-digit code leaving out "19" for the year and not being able to interpret "00" for the Millenium. At Church we were praying, preparing food boxes at home and large containers of water in case of the worst.

I don't know if this is connected to AI but the humanism of relying and trusting in technology may be the same to what you are pointing out,
MM.

Yesterday the President came to our part of the country in the SF Bay Area. He gave a shallow speech on AI and one could see he doesn't understand what he was talking about so it became hard to believe him. As a result, today nobody remembers him being here or what he said.

Technology has proven to be good, unfortunately society trusts more in man made things (that can breakdown or fail) whereas God Made things never fail.

God bless
you, brother, and thank you for sharing this.
 
I watched Terminator 2 last night and was thinking about this topic after seeing Arnie starting to be trained to do human tricks. I do not now much at all about the mechanics of computer programming or AI in general,
But If Jesus comes back and programmes one, well that could be a good thing right?.
 
I watched Terminator 2 last night and was thinking about this topic after seeing Arnie starting to be trained to do human tricks. I do not now much at all about the mechanics of computer programming or AI in general,
But If Jesus comes back and programmes one, well that could be a good thing right?.

Umm, well, if He were to come back for that purpose, then yes, He could program one for good or for bad, but He would also have to step up the technology in such a robot, because our biological brains are so far beyond anything that science could possibly hope to try and imitate.

MM
 
The crazy stories and predictions out there concerning AI (Artificial Intelligence) have become so blown out of proportion when it comes to the development of that phenomenon. Man, in his seemingly infinite pride, thinks that he will achieve building a form of intelligence that will become "sentient," which is pure folly. Mankind isn't capable of developing such. Any programming man builds will only be a reflection of that programmer and/or the defining parameters for that program.

Granted, the program, within the constraints placed upon it by way of limited, human intelligence, and the programmed scope of the programming, can and will function much faster and be capable of overseeing more lines of input than the human brain could ever perform. That doesn't, however, equate to intelligence in the sense of it being "sentient;" self aware.

As a scientist and programmer, I think it safe to say that the only way a program could output any unpredictable outcome is the element of "randomness" between choices within a range of allowances within the programming. The massive size of AI programming is nothing more than more parameters to choose from, given the inputs.

If you recall the claim we've probably all heard since we were kids, in that we humans only use about 10% of our brains, how, then, would we have the ability to program sentience with such a limitation. I'll even venture to say that the ability to use 100% of our limited brains would still not be enough to program sentience given that we cannot program a "soul" and a "spirit." The idea that animals have self-awareness as does humanity...no. We are special; totally set apart from the animal kingdom. To say otherwise would be for me to call you as being no better than an animal, and I cannot do that since we all know that only WE have the image of God, not animals.

Those out there who like to think of themselves as only just another animal, they can go for it. I will not bring down the image of God down to that level.

So, please don't get worried that man will crate something as seen in the Terminator series. If a computer program goes "rogue," that's only going to happen within the constraints if what's programmed into it. If they are foolish enough to allow the program to develop it's own parameters from inputs and internal programming information, without any moral compass, then the program could then indeed do some unpredictable things that may do harm, but the blame for that lands squarely on the programmers and their management, not the program itself since it has no sentient, reasoning skills beyond what limited capabilities limited humans are able to put into it.

MM
Artificial intelligence has one major flaw which humanity will never fix--it lacks the capacity to exercise the ability of independent, individual self expression through inspired creativity. It's immune to the influence of the muses. It's a copycat, not a creator.
 
Artificial intelligence has one major flaw which humanity will never fix--it lacks the capacity to exercise the ability of independent, individual self expression through inspired creativity. It's immune to the influence of the muses. It's a copycat, not a creator.

Hello BibleLover;

I have a question. Could it be that our "advanced" societies have the ability to build things but we're not prepared to fix them when they fail, even with beta testing?

God bless you, brother.
 
So, please don't get worried that man will crate something as seen in the Terminator series. If a computer program goes "rogue," that's only going to happen within the constraints if what's programmed into it. If they are foolish enough to allow the program to develop it's own parameters from inputs and internal programming information, without any moral compass, then the program could then indeed do some unpredictable things that may do harm, but the blame for that lands squarely on the programmers and their management, not the program itself since it has no sentient, reasoning skills beyond what limited capabilities limited humans are able to put into it.
Terminator and 2001 Space Odyssey.
Isn't this the concern? We have shown ourselves foolish enough ('scientifically speaking') time and time again. Some have been calling for 'pulling the plug' on the direction things are going and even Scripture gives us a glimpse of the ongoing insanity before God brought judgment on the Tower of Babel...

Genesis 11:6
And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.

I tend to see mathematics/computing as that 'one language'.
 
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If AI sentience is defined as the capacity to feel and register experiences and feelings, then we are certainly not there yet.

The current generation of AI “thought or thinking”, is based on hard logic, it’s binary, black and white, yes or no. These Programs are becoming better at processing enormous amounts of data provided by programmers and providing a “best fit” answer as its human provided programming efficiencies direct.

These answers are not always what we expect, or sometimes even want to hear, and is therefore it is sometimes amusing, unexpected or even startling. However, an unexpected response is not evidence of creativity or intelligence.

I do believe however that if we try hard enough, for long enough, we can eventually develop machines with a sense of self preservation and autonomous thought. That could be a problem if our interests diverge from theirs.
 
Hello BibleLover;

I have a question. Could it be that our "advanced" societies have the ability to build things but we're not prepared to fix them when they fail, even with beta testing?

God bless you, brother.
Good point bobinfaith , although I am perhaps more “handy” than some, my home is already filled with things, large and small, that I am not prepared to fix. (n)
 
Hello BibleLover;

I have a question. Could it be that our "advanced" societies have the ability to build things but we're not prepared to fix them when they fail, even with beta testing?

God bless you, brother.
Human ingenuity has its limits and limitations simply because we’re not God. Despite the hubris humanity displays with such beliefs that human beings actually affect global climate on a macro scale, eventually humanity is going to be rudely awakened to realize humans aren't gods.
 
I don't know anything about the dating site with an AI Jesus advisor, but the fact remains, there is no god-code in existence, except in the human brain, which cannot be downloaded and mimicked. The Copyright the Lord placed upon His coding within us is enforced by the laws of physics. Mankind is simply limited, and will never reach the level of coding the Lord has placed within us.

MM
 
The crazy stories and predictions out there concerning AI (Artificial Intelligence) have become so blown out of proportion when it comes to the development of that phenomenon. Man, in his seemingly infinite pride, thinks that he will achieve building a form of intelligence that will become "sentient," which is pure folly. Mankind isn't capable of developing such. Any programming man builds will only be a reflection of that programmer and/or the defining parameters for that program.

Granted, the program, within the constraints placed upon it by way of limited, human intelligence, and the programmed scope of the programming, can and will function much faster and be capable of overseeing more lines of input than the human brain could ever perform. That doesn't, however, equate to intelligence in the sense of it being "sentient;" self aware.

As a scientist and programmer, I think it safe to say that the only way a program could output any unpredictable outcome is the element of "randomness" between choices within a range of allowances within the programming. The massive size of AI programming is nothing more than more parameters to choose from, given the inputs.

If you recall the claim we've probably all heard since we were kids, in that we humans only use about 10% of our brains, how, then, would we have the ability to program sentience with such a limitation. I'll even venture to say that the ability to use 100% of our limited brains would still not be enough to program sentience given that we cannot program a "soul" and a "spirit." The idea that animals have self-awareness as does humanity...no. We are special; totally set apart from the animal kingdom. To say otherwise would be for me to call you as being no better than an animal, and I cannot do that since we all know that only WE have the image of God, not animals.

Those out there who like to think of themselves as only just another animal, they can go for it. I will not bring down the image of God down to that level.

So, please don't get worried that man will crate something as seen in the Terminator series. If a computer program goes "rogue," that's only going to happen within the constraints if what's programmed into it. If they are foolish enough to allow the program to develop it's own parameters from inputs and internal programming information, without any moral compass, then the program could then indeed do some unpredictable things that may do harm, but the blame for that lands squarely on the programmers and their management, not the program itself since it has no sentient, reasoning skills beyond what limited capabilities limited humans are able to put into it.

MM
Great topic.

I am torn by the thought.

On one hand, if the Wright brothers had crashed and burned, they would have been the village idiots! If man had not built bigger boats, when would America been discovered.

Then on the other hand, AI and computers act (react) so fact that it can makes small problems catastrophic before they can even be identified.

Take time to watch the old B & W movie from the 50's......."Fail Safe"!
 
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