The Holy Rosary

#21
So far, you have misunderstood. It's your choice to believe as you wish, but you already made a bunch of misinformed statements. It's no skin off my nose what you choose.
I have not misunderstood---nor am I wrong about this. God's word is true and there is no getting around it by praying such prayers which center on a person other than Jesus Christ and which have come from a hallucination. All promised blessings are lies.


The 15 Promised Blessings of the Virgin Mary for praying the Rosary

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell; it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

5. The soul that recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
 
#22
I have not misunderstood---nor am I wrong about this. God's word is true and there is no getting around it by praying such prayers which center on a person other than Jesus Christ and which have come from a hallucination. All promised blessings are lies.


The 15 Promised Blessings of the Virgin Mary for praying the Rosary

1. Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive signal graces.

2. I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.

3. The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell; it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies.

4. It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.

5. The soul that recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary shall not perish.

6. Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.

7. Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.

8. Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.

9. I shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.

10. The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.

11. You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.

12. All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.

13. I have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death.

14. All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.

15. Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.
I'm sorry, but you do misunderstand.
 
#25
There's a difference between understanding something but not accepting it as true and misunderstanding something and not accepting it as true. You still have a misunderstanding of it. That's just a fact.
I understand what the rosary is and how it came about, and I reject it out of hand as an unholy affectation of a demonic influence that has been misunderstood as from God. That's a fact.
 
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#26
I wish you guys would stop bickering.
I wasn't aware that this forum existed for the purpose of Catholic bashing.
This has degenerated into a "Yes I did no you didn't" type of argument.
Try reading and digesting rule 3.0.
 
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#27
I understand what the rosary is and how it came about, and I reject it out of hand as an unholy affectation of a demonic influence that has been misunderstood as from God. That's a fact.
I'm sorry, but even if we take out the validity of the rosary, you didn't even understand we're it came from.
 
#30
I wish you guys would stop bickering.
I wasn't aware that this forum existed for the purpose of Catholic bashing.
This has degenerated into a "Yes I did no you didn't" type of argument.
Try reading and digesting rule 3.0.
I have known some wonderful Catholic people who have come to know Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. Standing up for righteousness in the presence of idolatry is what we as Christians MUST do.
 
#31
I'm sorry, but even if we take out the validity of the rosary, you didn't even understand we're it came from.
Yes, I do know where it came from.

This topic is a real stickler among people, and in any Christian forum you will always get strong opposition. I am glad we have moderation for this purpose, so that it won't be allowed to get out of hand and we can check ourselves.

Apart from publishing the actual prayers used in the rosary, which I do not want to do, I have said all I need to say on the subject.
 
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#32
Yes, I do know where it came from.

This topic is a real stickler among people, and in any Christian forum you will always get strong opposition. I am glad we have moderation for this purpose, so that it won't be allowed to get out of hand and we can check ourselves.

Apart from publishing the actual prayers used in the rosary, which I do not want to do, I have said all I need to say on the subject.
I'm not condemning you for expressing your opinion since you aren't being disrespectful. I just condemn the position itself, just as you condemn mine.
 
#36
I have known some wonderful Catholic people who have come to know Jesus Christ as Saviour and Lord. Standing up for righteousness in the presence of idolatry is what we as Christians MUST do.
I could agree. IMO. you have said a lot without saying anything. So too has Lysander.
With respect to both of you, (from my coign of vantage) I'm reading a lot of yes I do...no you don't stuff.
Can you provide a strong argument from evidence that the rosary originated at fatima? ref your post #7
@Lysander can you provide a strong argument from evidence that Jesus prayed in a repetitious manner? ref. your post #10. Matt 26:39-44. Jesus' first prayer was one of petition, His second prayer was clearly one of submission. The third time could only be a reaffirmation of His submission. Having submitted, He could no longer petition against that which He knew was coming unless He was insincere and double minded.
In all the circumstances, those hardly qualify as a fair and reasonable argument in favor of an assertion that Jesus prayed with repetition.....sorry.
 
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#37
If I may? The first promise states, and I , quote, "whoever shall faithfully serve "me" by the recitation of the rosary. Shall receive signal Grace.," It States you are faithfully serving her not Jesus, not God, but her. She is not God, not Jesus she is not part of the trinity. Signal graces are sent by God not Mary. And I don't know of one instance In the bible where Mary sends anything to anyone. There are many of instances of God sending them, (i.e., Moses and the burning bush) but none that I recall being sent by Mary. And that is just the first promise!
 
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#38
I could agree. IMO. you have said a lot without saying anything. So too has Lysander.
With respect to both of you, (from my coign of vantage) I'm reading a lot of yes I do...no you don't stuff.
Can you provide a strong argument from evidence that the rosary originated at fatima? ref your post #7
@Lysander can you provide a strong argument from evidence that Jesus prayed in a repetitious manner? ref. your post #10. Matt 26:39-44. Jesus' first prayer was one of petition, His second prayer was clearly one of submission. The third time could only be a reaffirmation of His submission. Having submitted, He could no longer petition against that which He knew was coming unless He was insincere and double minded.
In all the circumstances, those hardly qualify as a fair and reasonable argument in favor of an assertion that Jesus prayed with repetition.....sorry.
The rosary did not originate at Fatima, but as LS said, it originated with a man called Dominic Guzman.

I believe the Fatima "events" just reinforced it.
 
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#39
The rosary did not originate at Fatima, but as LS said, it originated with a man called Dominic Guzman.

I believe the Fatima "events" just reinforced it.
This is correct. The legend is that St. Dominic received a rosary from Mary (whether it was through a dream or in person is unknown), and he taught this form of prayer in order to fight a rising heresy at the time called albagencianism. It has also been practiced with many miracles taking place. It's not a dogma, but it is something as Catholics we recognize as valid since we respect Papal authority as sound.
 
#40
I could agree. IMO. you have said a lot without saying anything. So too has Lysander.
With respect to both of you, (from my coign of vantage) I'm reading a lot of yes I do...no you don't stuff.
Can you provide a strong argument from evidence that the rosary originated at fatima? ref your post #7
@Lysander can you provide a strong argument from evidence that Jesus prayed in a repetitious manner? ref. your post #10. Matt 26:39-44. Jesus' first prayer was one of petition, His second prayer was clearly one of submission. The third time could only be a reaffirmation of His submission. Having submitted, He could no longer petition against that which He knew was coming unless He was insincere and double minded.
In all the circumstances, those hardly qualify as a fair and reasonable argument in favor of an assertion that Jesus prayed with repetition.....sorry.
I'm at the laundromat right now, but I will certainly get back to you on this soon. You deserve a thicker answer with evidence :)