What If Meat Was The Forbidden Fruit?

VictorianLady

VictorianLady

Eating meat is unhealthy and leads to a slow death. An animal had to be killed to eat the meat thereby introducing death to the planet. It's true that God did not intend for mankind to eat animals. You are what you eat, they ate death and death became a part of humanity.

Genesis 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.


30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so.

Genesis 3
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Maybe that's where the coat skins came from.

I'm not saying eating meat is a sin now that the damage has been done. But originally God did not want mankind to eat meat.
 
VictorianLady said:
Eating meat is unhealthy and leads to a slow death. An animal had to be killed to eat the meat thereby introducing death to the planet. It's true that God did not intend for mankind to eat animals. You are what you eat, they ate death and death became a part of humanity.

Genesis 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.


30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so.

Genesis 3
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Maybe that's where the coat skins came from.

I'm not saying eating meat is a sin now that the damage has been done. But originally God did not want mankind to eat meat.
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You are correct.

Scripture clearly states that God did not require animals (and even humans) to ingest meat as part of their diets. All living things were commanded to eat only plant-based foods for their daily sustenance (Genesis 1:29 - 30).
 
Somethin' to think about.

The Book of Leviticus, Chapter 11 was wrote roughly around 1400 BC - just after the Book of Genesis.

Chapter 11 lists the critters that are OK to consume and those which ain't. By the time Leviticus was wrote, cooking was well known among all people and since God knew what critters were OK to eat and which weren't, he had his prophets and scribes, through Moses and Aaron, tell everyone how to stay healthy.

Link to: Leviticus Chapter 11


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I believe that in Genesis 9:3 is the first mention of eating meat. After the Flood, God told Noah:
“Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.”

Jesus says nothing that would change the meat-eating practices of the Old Testament. If he was traditionally observant of the Passover he would have eaten lamb, however this is not documented either way. It seems he at least ate fish. In Luke 24:42-43 we read:
41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them.

 
blueskies said:
I believe that in Genesis 9:3 is the first mention of eating meat. After the Flood, God told Noah:
“Everything that lives and moves about will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.”

Jesus says nothing that would change the meat-eating practices of the Old Testament. If he was traditionally observant of the Passover he would have eaten lamb, however this is not documented either way. It seems he at least ate fish. In Luke 24:42-43 we read:
41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them.
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Yes, the planet definitely changed after the flood. They had to now made do as best they could in a fallen world.
 
Well I’ve just gone back and re read the genesis account and God did say we should be vegetarians. He only mentions herbs as food and that really does open my eyes actually.

As for whether eating meat before our time was the cause of death and sin is really quite interesting to me. Because, if you look at the lifespans of the Eskimo and the vegan yogi there is a massive difference in years. Yogis can live very long and Eskimo ( who live mainly of whales and seal with little vegetation don’t live nearly as long. Roughly about 40 years.

The only thing I question is this:

If everyone and everything was vegan in the GOE before the flood, where was all the tigers lions and other meat eating species?

Hmm, maybe The ark did fit all of the species on after all🤗
 
Via dolarossa said:
Well I’ve just gone back and re read the genesis account and God did say we should be vegetarians. He only mentions herbs as food and that really does open my eyes actually.

As for whether eating meat before our time was the cause of death and sin is really quite interesting to me. Because, if you look at the lifespans of the Eskimo and the vegan yogi there is a massive difference in years. Yogis can live very long and Eskimo ( who live mainly of whales and seal with little vegetation don’t live nearly as long. Roughly about 40 years.

The only thing I question is this:

If everyone and everything was vegan in the GOE before the flood, where was all the tigers lions and other meat eating species?

Hmm, maybe The ark did fit all of the species on after all🤗
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I think meat eating animals evolved into primarily meat eaters once the fall occurred. 👍 Food and vegetation was probably very scarce after the flood and those animals that were fast and strong adapted by hunting other animals for food. Then they just never stopped.
 
If no one ever died in the GOE before the fall, then if we never sinned, there would eventually be a pile up of too many humans and animals..

So Maybe sin was on the cards anyway, not only to know good AND evil but to stop overpopulation.?
 
Major said:
You are correct.

Scripture clearly states that God did not require animals (and even humans) to ingest meat as part of their diets. All living things were commanded to eat only plant-based foods for their daily sustenance (Genesis 1:29 - 30).
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Then why do you think that God created Lions, and Tigers, and all carnivores with teeth for ripping and tearing flesh instead of teeth for chewing frass and plants.

Carnivores can not eat grass and plants and chew them. Their teeth will not allow it.
 
VictorianLady said:
Eating meat is unhealthy and leads to a slow death. An animal had to be killed to eat the meat thereby introducing death to the planet. It's true that God did not intend for mankind to eat animals. You are what you eat, they ate death and death became a part of humanity.

Genesis 1
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for food.


30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for food: and it was so.

Genesis 3
21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Maybe that's where the coat skins came from.

I'm not saying eating meat is a sin now that the damage has been done. But originally God did not want mankind to eat meat.
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At no time in the creation account is there any implication that animals ever grew on trees.
 
Major said:
Carnivores can not eat grass and plants and chew them. Their teeth will not allow it.
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Further, their digestive systems are not designed to extract the nutrients in leaves and grasses and they will literally starve to death on a plant based diet. This was by the Creators’ design.

I will also mention here I personally stopped eating beef, lamb or pork many years ago so I don’t have a preference in this discussion.
 
blueskies said:
Further, their digestive systems are not designed to extract the nutrients in leaves and grasses and they will literally starve to death on a plant based diet. This was by the Creators’ design.

I will also mention here I personally stopped eating beef, lamb or pork many years ago so I don’t have a preference in this discussion.
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Speaking of eating meat. Do you know what it means to come home to a happy home, a beautiful wife, & a big juicy steak cooked for you?

YOU are in the wrong house!
 
Major said:
You are correct.

Scripture clearly states that God did not require animals (and even humans) to ingest meat as part of their diets. All living things were commanded to eat only plant-based foods for their daily sustenance (Genesis 1:29 - 30).
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Well, I hate to break the cozy, warm fuzzie feelings toward vegan delights, but, in relation to the OP, we are all dying a slow death regardless of our diet, so eating meat has not been proven to increase one's velocity down the slope of life toward death. That's mostly just a vegan heresy.

Additionally, the Lord made specific allowances for eating meat, not because it allegedly speeds up the dying process, but because of the effects of sin upon vegetation. No fruit of vegetable is as nutritious as they once were before the fall. The constant decline in nature resulting from the effects of sin, which is the deterioration of all DNA, meat eating is what helps to actually keep us healthier.

If we want to point at something that's unworthy of our trust, look at the FDA. Some years ago, the drug industry pushed for lowering the level cholesterol in an alleged attempt to reduce heart attacks. In reality, it was a push to get more people on the statin drugs, given that statins are now the NUMBER ONE prescribed drug on the market here in the U.S.

Oh, and also, the lowering of the threshold of "high cholesterol" reduced heart attacks less then 1%, which shows how this was REALLY about nothing more than MONEY, and the LOVE OF IT!

I stopped taking my statin, and I'm still kicking, by the grace of the Lord in showing to me that I need to rely on Him more than a bottle of pills.

Now, it's inevitable that someone will zap my statement beyond what it actually says. I'm talking about statins, not other drugs that, refusing to take them, would indeed be detrimental to some. Please read and confine my comments to the context rather than to push them beyond reason.

I no longer eat pork by choice in order to keep my triglycerides lower, and it works.

Oinker meat can be really good, but I abstain from that one meat by choice, not because of the fulfilled Mosaic Law.

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Well, I hate to break the cozy, warm fuzzie feelings toward vegan delights, but, in relation to the OP, we are all dying a slow death regardless of our diet, so eating meat has not been proven to increase one's velocity down the slope of life toward death. That's mostly just a vegan heresy.

Additionally, the Lord made specific allowances for eating meat, not because it allegedly speeds up the dying process, but because of the effects of sin upon vegetation. No fruit of vegetable is as nutritious as they once were before the fall. The constant decline in nature resulting from the effects of sin, which is the deterioration of all DNA, meat eating is what helps to actually keep us healthier.

If we want to point at something that's unworthy of our trust, look at the FDA. Some years ago, the drug industry pushed for lowering the level cholesterol in an alleged attempt to reduce heart attacks. In reality, it was a push to get more people on the statin drugs, given that statins are now the NUMBER ONE prescribed drug on the market here in the U.S.

Oh, and also, the lowering of the threshold of "high cholesterol" reduced heart attacks less then 1%, which shows how this was REALLY about nothing more than MONEY, and the LOVE OF IT!

I stopped taking my statin, and I'm still kicking, by the grace of the Lord in showing to me that I need to rely on Him more than a bottle of pills.

Now, it's inevitable that someone will zap my statement beyond what it actually says. I'm talking about statins, not other drugs that, refusing to take them, would indeed be detrimental to some. Please read and confine my comments to the context rather than to push them beyond reason.

I no longer eat pork by choice in order to keep my triglycerides lower, and it works.

Oinker meat can be really good, but I abstain from that one meat by choice, not because of the fulfilled Mosaic Law.

MM
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All good stuff.
 
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