hmm I think that scripture means the Israelites might say this to the righteous Gentiles have saved their bacon after all. Come forth Christians. We don't hate you anymore.
What is Jesus' "rod of iron" to rule the nations with?
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Either way as far as 'who' is being addressed (whether God or the 'righteous Gentiles'), the point is, it is yet to be fulfilled, thus debunking theories that say 'all prophecies have been fulfilled'.
Nice, you can agree with the 7s on Revelation. But you're missing WHO is being p unished in Revelatio n during the seize.
Ezekiel 39 is a good comparison where the birds would eat the flesh of the unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem during the 3/12 year assault .
Well, I don't know if induvidual Jews ever said that, but the Lord took their house and gave it to the Gentiles who produced fruit.
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| Context 40But Jesus answered, “I tell you, if these become silent, the stones will cry out!” 41When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, 42saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. 43“For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, 44and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.” |
So, Jerusalem is being punished in Revelation. There's no doubt to me that mystery Babylon is and was Jerusalem.!
Harriet.....did you READ where the Bible says that Babylon can not be Jerusalem????
Please put aside your PRESERIST ideas and go with the Bible.
WHY would God destroy His Holy city????
It is funny why you would bring Ezekiel 39 into the conversation. Since you just did, allow me to say to you that from Ezekiel 38 and 39, the
Description of 'Gog, the land of Magog, chief prince of Meshech and Tubal [...] Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them [...] Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.'
There is no record of such a coalition of peoples ever being joined together, nor is there any evidence that such a coalition ever invaded Israel simply for plunder. Therefore, it is descriptive of no army that has ever invaded Israel as neither Antiochus, nor Titus Vespasian came for the specific purpose of plundering. And there is no historical evidence for any such coalition of peoples ever invading Israel at any time in history.
Now the whole idea of the 7 year Tribulation is to bring the Jews to God. There is NO doubt that Jerusalem is seen.
There is NO doubt that this peroid will be centered in Israel, but will be felt world wide!
But there is NO evidence that Jerusalem is BABYLON.
So then you are forcing me to ask you what you said you would do......."Where did you get your degree" and what is it in????
Some people, and it seems that YOU are one of those....have erroneously postulated "this day" and this "visitation" is the fulfillment of the Dan. 9:25 prophecy, that Messiah the Prince would come to Israel at the end of the 69th week. However, most Bible scholars agree that the sixty-ninth week of Daniel expired exactly on the day of the Triumphal Entry of Jesus into Jerusalem.
The passage you used shows that kingdom conditions had been presented to Israel. But because of Israel's unbelief, there would be disastrous national consequences. These consequences occurred in A.D. 70 when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. Sadly but accurately, Jesus' prediction came to pass. The day of visitation was missed.
I do not think I know of anyone who does not understand that Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD. However, I can count on my hand those whom I know that believe that 70 AD was the end time event which leads up to the return of Jesus.
Agreed!
Yes, the Lord took their house temporarily and for a purpose...
Romans 11:11 (KJV) I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
So I ask: When ·the Jews [they] fell, did that fall destroy them [or they fall beyond recovery]? ·No [Absolutely not; May it never be; ! But their ·failure [transgression; violation] brought salvation to the Gentiles, in order to make ·the Jews [them] jealous. Romans 11:11 (Expanded Bible)
Harriet....... I must ask you this question. You are a Preterist. We have had several on this forum lately. All of you believe that Jesus came in 70 AD and post Scriptures to force that idea onto the rest of us. Now having said that...it means that YOU and THEM know whne Jesus came!
Matthew 24:36-44 declares, .........
“No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father…Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come…So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect Him.”
Please tell all of us HOW DO YOU KNOW?????
Your Preterists position is that YOU know when and how he already returned - in 70 AD. You are teaching that Jesus returned spiritually through the acts of the Roman army when they destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. According to the Bible the Millennium with Christ ruling would have commenced. So this has to be explained away.
How far from reality does one need to be to know they are wrong? The fact that the world has sustained sin and evil since 70 AD. Instead of it diminishing, it has reached a new zenith which does not fit at all into the description of the Millennium from the Bible. It seems to me that you, are purposely being oblivious to reality and yet they have the gall to mock those who hold to a futurist view of prophecy.
If we were in the Millennium then common sense would dictate that America is a new Jerusalem and Christ is ruling from the white house; since we are the most powerful nation that has the most powerful office in the world; Israel is only a friend of America. Sounds backward? It should for those who know their Bible.
We can also know that those who claim He returned when in fact he did not are false prophets and teachers according to Jesus.
Matt 24:26-27: ......
"Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. "For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.
Please explain this to all of us!
How do I know ? Well, Revelation 1 says God gave Jesus. I cannot copy that 1st verse from my phone. So, only the Father was supposed to know the day or hour. Here in the 1st verse the Father is saying it's soon.
That is not an answer!
Yes....God gave Jesus the Revelation. And He said...."Which must shortly come to pass".
Which Preterists have interpreted to mean 70 AD... However --John wrote the Revelation in 95 AD fully 25 years AFTER the event in 70 AD.
Shortly in the Greek in Verse #1 does not mean that what Jesus said had to take place soon in a manner of time.
You still have not answered how YOU knew when Jesus would return when HE said NO ONE ONES but the Father!
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