"Don't you know I must be in my Father's house?" (I can't find that verse... right after he's found in the Temple) Jesus definitely knew something Mary and Joseph didn't.Didn't he just amaze them with his questions?
And if he knew all along that he was the Son. Did he know this in the manger that night? If so, was he just waiting till a certain time to let everyone else know?
Luke 2: 49-51 "And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?"Don't you know I must be in my Father's house?" (I can't find that verse... right after he's found in the Temple) Jesus definitely knew something Mary and Joseph didn't.
I think in the final paragraph you answer yourself ..... about the limitations. Although Jesus was God, he was also still human. Even if at 12 he knew he was God, he was still limited by his age and development (mental, spiritual, etc.). So, there is not much need to discuss the final paragraph.I guess I am still wondering when He found out. We say life begins at conception. Did He know when He was conceived? When He was in the womb? Was it at birth?
I think at some point He had an inkling that there was something special but I don't know that He fully comprehended it.
Here is a quote from a discussion I was having with a pastor.
You bring up some good points. I think the key word you used here is “inkling.” Did Jesus have an inkling- even at age 12- that He was someone unique, and maybe even had a nature unlike anyone else? Sure, He would have had to have an inkling. But my point is that He was not fully aware at that point who He really was, and what that meant.
Let me give you another argument. If you look at the rest of the story there in Luke 2, it says that He went back to Nazareth with Mary and Joseph, and was obedient to them. If Jesus knew, at this point, that He was God, then why even bother going back with Mary and Joseph, and why the need to obey them. Now you might say, “Because a 12 year old is not old enough to be on his own. He needs his parents to both shelter him and teach him about life.” Very true, but if Jesus already knows He is God, then what on earth would He needs anyone’s help for, and why would one who knew He was God willingly submit to obeying mere humans. He wouldn’t need them at all.
It also says that, after they returned from Jerusalem , He grew in wisdom. But if He knows He is God, then wouldn’t He already have all wisdom? Why would He need to grow and develop anymore. He is God. God doesn’t need to improve or to learn more. But again, Jesus was God willingly limiting Himself. Part of that limitation meant that when He was 12 He would only have the mental capability and comprehension of a 12 year old- albeit, a 12 year old prodigy.
How could he be limited? I mean he was the Son. And he really shouldn't have to grow in wisdom. He already posessed it.I think in the final paragraph you answer yourself ..... about the limitations. Although Jesus was God, he was also still human. Even if at 12 he knew he was God, he was still limited by his age and development (mental, spiritual, etc.). So, there is not much need to discuss the final paragraph.
He was limited only by age and development. He came to earth fully human, even though he was God incarnate. He was born an infant and was just like all infants. He didn't just sit on in his cradle and start preaching and healing, nor was he able to at that time. In the wilderness he was tempted. In the garden he wept. And Jesus died... but rose again.How could he be limited? I mean he was the Son. And he really shouldn't have to grow in wisdom. He already posessed it.
Why did he wait until the age of 30 to begin his minstry? Why didn't he start it at 12 or 18 or whatever?
I think you have misunderstood me. I would NEVER claim that Jesus and God aren't 1 in the same. That would be throwing out the whole Trinity.We must also be careful of the new age teachings that Jesus became like God through His good works and His good moral behaviour. Jesus never became God, He is God and was born in human form by His Holy Spirit through Mary.
I don't know that He ever really had doubt, but He labored through this. Remember before He was put on the cross He asked if there was any other way. But He said let Your will be done. Then on the cross He yelled out why have You forsaken me.I have to believe He always knew. It would be too hard for Him to do everything with confidence and never doubt Hmself without knowing something more than we usually know. I could be wrong, and it may or may not be important. Personally, in the end, I wonder how He managed it. It is beyond my mind to understand how He was so sure of Himself and His mission without ever doubting or getting sidetracked.
excellent.I will discuss the next to final paragraph. If Jesus knew he was God, then why would he go back with his parents and submit to them? Simple. Because it was the law. Jesus was a Jew. He came not to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law.