When Did The Struggle Begin????

If you are unaware.....there is and has been a struggle going on. When did it begin?????

Genesis 3:15.......
“And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

This Scripture, all the way back to the beginning tells us that there has been a struggle between GOOD and EVIL for a long, long time.
Now when you read the rest of the Bible, that is exactly what you see all the way to the end of the book.

Thus we can easily see that the conflict before us today is between TWO seeds.
1. GODLY.............Seth!
2. Satanic.............Cain!

Now when we read Genesis 4:26 we can see when it started......
"And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD."

SETH is the 3rd child of Adam and Eve. It is SETH that when men began to call upon the Lord.

FYI.........Noah was Methuselah’s grandson, which makes him a direct descendant of Seth. Seth’s ancestry is also mentioned in 1 Chronicles 1:3, which starts by mentioning Seth and the several ancestors leading to Noah, then describes the family branches created by Noah’s three sons.

God against Satan.
 
Good morning Major
I got a good one for you. When you talk about the conflict between the two seeds what are you thinking that is being referred to by 'seeds'?
True it is a life source but how is it manifested?
How would it be transmitted?
 
Good morning Major
I got a good one for you. When you talk about the conflict between the two seeds what are you thinking that is being referred to by 'seeds'?
True it is a life source but how is it manifested?
How would it be transmitted?
Excellent question brother. Thanks for asking me!!!!

Seeds =
1. The Woman's seed
The singular pronoun used in the promise,He [KJV, ‘it’] shall bruise your head,” indicates that a male member of the human race will deliver a fatal and final blow to the serpent. Messiah Jesus was of unique birth—He was the seed of the woman. His life force then was both from God and the woman. That made Him the God-Man. God in the flesh.

2. Satans seed.
Every human birthed into this world is spiritually contaminated with the seed of Satan.
Rom 5:18 says ..... "Therefore as by the offense of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation".

All natural human beings are incompatible with God.
John 3:3 ......Jesus said unto him, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

God sowed His seed (word seed):
Gen 2:17 ......"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

Satan sowed his seed (word seed): Gen 3:4 ......"And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"

The spirit beings of type man (Adam) received the seed of Satan and rejected the seed of God. They were spiritually birthed from Satan when Satan changed the Word of God and Adam accepted it.
 
Dear Major,

I thought scripture teaches that only the line of Seth survived the great flood.
Do I have that wrong?
Noah was the only true man worth saving in God’s eyes at that time, and from that, it was inferred that his wife, sons, and daughters were not all right, but God kept these men because of Noah.
It was the 3 sons and their wives who repopulated the earth. We have no Scriptures that say they were all believers but many Scriptures that say that they were not believers.

When Ham, Noahs son saw him drunk and naked, "[Noah] said...... 'Cursed be Canaan; the lowest of slaves shall he be to his brothers'" (via TheTorah.com).

If you're wondering who in the world Canaan is, then you have every right to be confused. Canaan is actually one of Ham's sons (thus, one of Noah's grandsons). It was the land of Canaan that Moses went into and it was a land that was completly sold to idolatry and barbarianism. That kind of lifestyle came from someone!!!!!

Read More: https://www.grunge.com/649355/the-untold-truth-of-noahs-sons/
 
Good morning Major
I got a good one for you. When you talk about the conflict between the two seeds what are you thinking that is being referred to by 'seeds'?
True it is a life source but how is it manifested?
How would it be transmitted?
Also there is this for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear...

Matt 13:36-43
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV


What is actually manifested for this 'present' world, is a seed which God ordained in the condemnation to work against Christ. That's the emnity of Genesis 3 between the two 'seeds'. It simply means Christ has His elect here, and the devil has his own elect here too.

Jude 4
4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

2 Peter 2:12
12 But these,
as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
KJV

Jude 10-13
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally,
as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
KJV

Those terms in red above are 'already condemned to perish' type phrases. Those Scriptures are seldom taught in the Church. How does one explain that then?

The main job of Christ's Church is to preach The Gospel, and that is offered to those also if they will turn to Lord Jesus. But as "brute beasts" those were ordained to that condemnation of working against Christ. It is about the 'negative side' of God's Plan of Salvation. Recall that Paul said in Romans 9 that God hardened Pharaoh's heart for His Own Purpose. And so what if God fitted certain vessels for destruction.

This means God is in complete control, and actually, there is NO war between Him and Satan. That idea some pulled from the old religion of Zoroaster which believed in equal opposing forces. God actually USES Satan as a punishing rod upon the rebellious (see Isaiah 10 about the "Assyrian", a title God sometimes uses to point to Satan. God called him, "the rod of Mine anger". God showed there when He is done with him for this world, then He will destroy him.)

So if you follow our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ, you have no need to be concerned about Satan, for Christ has given you power over all the enemy (Luke 10). Step out of line though and rebel, and Satan and his are ready to attack.
 
Also there is this for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear...

Matt 13:36-43
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV


What is actually manifested for this 'present' world, is a seed which God ordained in the condemnation to work against Christ. That's the emnity of Genesis 3 between the two 'seeds'. It simply means Christ has His elect here, and the devil has his own elect here too.

Jude 4
4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

2 Peter 2:12
12 But these,
as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
KJV

Jude 10-13
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally,
as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
KJV

Those terms in red above are 'already condemned to perish' type phrases. Those Scriptures are seldom taught in the Church. How does one explain that then?

The main job of Christ's Church is to preach The Gospel, and that is offered to those also if they will turn to Lord Jesus. But as "brute beasts" those were ordained to that condemnation of working against Christ. It is about the 'negative side' of God's Plan of Salvation. Recall that Paul said in Romans 9 that God hardened Pharaoh's heart for His Own Purpose. And so what if God fitted certain vessels for destruction.

This means God is in complete control, and actually, there is NO war between Him and Satan. That idea some pulled from the old religion of Zoroaster which believed in equal opposing forces. God actually USES Satan as a punishing rod upon the rebellious (see Isaiah 10 about the "Assyrian", a title God sometimes uses to point to Satan. God called him, "the rod of Mine anger". God showed there when He is done with him for this world, then He will destroy him.)

So if you follow our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ, you have no need to be concerned about Satan, for Christ has given you power over all the enemy (Luke 10). Step out of line though and rebel, and Satan and his are ready to attack.
Some good thoughts here.
Agreed that God is in complete control therefore no surprises as to who is in or who is out. This then begs the question 'what is the point of this journey we are in?'
First and foremost I believe it is to bring glory to God how He can redeem and bring his children through it all, despite themselves or the condition they find themselves in. It will certainly enable us to worship as even the angels can't. And thirdly, it is for us to develop character, which cannot be a gift, to hold our own in ways that Lucifer was not able. Our supreme example is when Jesus only did the Father's will despite circumstances. I'm sure there is a lot more too it but we'll understand it better by and by.
I may have missed your point but this came to mind.
God bless
 
Also there is this for those with eyes to see, and ears to hear...

Matt 13:36-43
36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and His disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."
37 He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
KJV


What is actually manifested for this 'present' world, is a seed which God ordained in the condemnation to work against Christ. That's the emnity of Genesis 3 between the two 'seeds'. It simply means Christ has His elect here, and the devil has his own elect here too.

Jude 4
4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
KJV

2 Peter 2:12
12 But these,
as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
KJV

Jude 10-13
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally,
as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars,
to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
KJV

Those terms in red above are 'already condemned to perish' type phrases. Those Scriptures are seldom taught in the Church. How does one explain that then?

The main job of Christ's Church is to preach The Gospel, and that is offered to those also if they will turn to Lord Jesus. But as "brute beasts" those were ordained to that condemnation of working against Christ. It is about the 'negative side' of God's Plan of Salvation. Recall that Paul said in Romans 9 that God hardened Pharaoh's heart for His Own Purpose. And so what if God fitted certain vessels for destruction.

This means God is in complete control, and actually, there is NO war between Him and Satan. That idea some pulled from the old religion of Zoroaster which believed in equal opposing forces. God actually USES Satan as a punishing rod upon the rebellious (see Isaiah 10 about the "Assyrian", a title God sometimes uses to point to Satan. God called him, "the rod of Mine anger". God showed there when He is done with him for this world, then He will destroy him.)

So if you follow our Heavenly Father through His Son Jesus Christ, you have no need to be concerned about Satan, for Christ has given you power over all the enemy (Luke 10). Step out of line though and rebel, and Satan and his are ready to attack.
I understand that the seed of the woman, is the Deliverer, the Savior, the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Satan has spiritual offspring as seen in John 8:41 & 44
"now you [those in Jesus' audience] seek to kill Me. . . . You do the deeds of your father. . . . You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do."

Satan's seed are those who do Satan's will in rebellion against God.
 
I understand that the seed of the woman, is the Deliverer, the Savior, the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Satan has spiritual offspring as seen in John 8:41 & 44
"now you [those in Jesus' audience] seek to kill Me. . . . You do the deeds of your father. . . . You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do."

Satan's seed are those who do Satan's will in rebellion against God.
Right. And you know not recognizing that has been one of the problems of the children of Israel all along. That's what Jude's 'crept in unawares' idea is about. That same creeping in has happened throughout the history of Christ's Church also, so the "tares" problem is still going on.

For the time of Christ's 1st coming, and His being delivered up to be crucified, even though the majority of Jews present then at His delivering up agreed to crucify Him, we are still shown the 'crept in unawares' were present among the crowds of Jews to influence them...

Matt 27:20
20 But
the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
KJV


And those that came to arrest Jesus were sent by the chief priests and Pharisees.

Per Old Testament history, the leftover Canaanites began creeping in among the children of Israel, at first becoming bondservants (see 1 Kings 9; Judges 2 & 3; Joshua 9). Then after the remnant of Jews returning from their Babylon captivity, some of those evidently had crept into the priesthood (see Ezra 2). And per Ezra 9, many of the elders of Israel, the Levites, priests, and the people had taken wives of the Canaanites during the Jew's captivity. And the Babylonian Talmud that created the Judaism traditions of men at Jesus' 1st coming became the main doctrine of the Jew's religion instead of God's Word.

My point? The majority of Jews were deceived about crucifying Lord Jesus, but His real enemies (crept in unawares, the tares) were not deceived, but well understood Who Jesus was. This is remarkable per the negative working of God's Plan of Salvation, since it shows the 'emnity' is actually who delivered up Lord Jesus and symbolically as Satan brusing Jesus' heel. And thus the final verse of Zechariah 14 shows at Jesus' future return and reign, then there will be no more the Canaanite in the house of God.
 
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Right. And you know not recognizing that has been one of the problems of the children of Israel all along. That's what Jude's 'crept in unawares' idea is about. That same creeping in has happened throughout the history of Christ's Church also, so the "tares" problem is still going on.

For the time of Christ's 1st coming, and His being delivered up to be crucified, even though the majority of Jews present then at His delivering up agreed to crucify Him, we are still shown the 'crept in unawares' were present among the crowds of Jews to influence them...

Matt 27:20
20 But
the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
KJV


And those that came to arrest Jesus were sent by the chief priests and Pharisees.

Per Old Testament history, the leftover Canaanites began creeping in among the children of Israel, at first becoming bondservants (see 1 Kings 9; Judges 2 & 3; Joshua 9). Then after the remnant of Jews returning from their Babylon captivity, some of those evidently had crept into the priesthood (see Ezra 2). And per Ezra 9, many of the elders of Israel, the Levites, priests, and the people had taken wives of the Canaanites during the Jew's captivity. And the Babylonian Talmud that created the Judaism traditions of men at Jesus' 1st coming became the main doctrine of the Jew's religion instead of God's Word.

My point? The majority of Jews were deceived about crucifying Lord Jesus, but His real enemies (crept in unawares, the tares) were not deceived, but well understood Who Jesus was. This is remarkable per the negative working of God's Plan of Salvation, since it shows the 'emnity' is actually who delivered up Lord Jesus and symbolically as Satan brusing Jesus' heel. And thus the final verse of Zechariah 14 shows at Jesus' future return and reign, then there will be no more the Canaanite in the house of God.
You are IMHO correct Davy.

"TARES" looked like wheat until they gave their fruits. Actually they were a CHOKE agent to wheat. Here in Florida we have what is called "CRAB GRASS". It grows among the St. Augustine grass and looking like it. But it is also a CHOKE agent and kills out all the real grass in time.
 
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