Limited Atonement?

JACK: I read the Wikipedia article on "Calvinism," and there are some minor areas with which I would disagree. While there are many who hold to the Doctrines of Grace are also covenantal theologian, that is not always the case. I happen to be a dispensationalist. It is also true that some--and I think very few--hold to a double predestintation. I don't! Nor do all Calvinists hold to the Regulative Principle in worship. I do agree when it reads that Calvinist hold to , "...the priority of Scripture as a source of authority," and "Each of these theologians also understood salvation to be by grace alone." I was not aware of the category of "New Calvinists" that the site listed. I would identify with most of the men listed in that paragraph.

KINGJ: Don't you realize that nobody would be saved if you witnessed to them truthfully about your belief as I quoted it in post #117.

JACK: I do witness to people truthfully and people are saved. If what you say is true, the Reformation never happened. All the first generation Reformers--which the wikipedia article also said--preached this message faithfully against the free willism and works redemption of the Catholic Church, and Europe erupted in revival. The darkness of Catholicism was pulled back and thousand came to the Lord. I think history very clearly demonstrates the error of your statement. The fact that you would make such a statement, again, suggests to me that you have some pretty wrong understandings of what the Doctrines of Grace are.
 
I'm not sure why I've missed all these posts. I'm watching the thread but haven't received one Alert?
Rumely?
 
I'm not sure why I've missed all these posts. I'm watching the thread but haven't received one Alert?
Rumely?

You'd have to ask Jeff or Banarenth, they're the experts on the software. Have you checked to make sure you have selected the box for getting alerts? The software has been upgraded or updated recently, so it is possible that some settings were changed in the process and may have to be reset. I was thinking about the email alerts. If you're talking about the alerts at the top of the page, check your alert settings to make sure the box for watched threads is checked.
 
You'd have to ask Jeff or Banarenth, they're the experts on the software. Have you checked to make sure you have selected the box for getting alerts? The software has been upgraded or updated recently, so it is possible that some settings were changed in the process and may have to be reset. I was thinking about the email alerts. If you're talking about the alerts at the top of the page, check your alert settings to make sure the box for watched threads is checked.
Yep nothing changed except THIS thread, and I got this alert so who knows. Oh well.
 
It might be a good idea to list the conclusions that both sides of this issue hold in common. Regardless of whether you believe in Particular Redemption or Unlimited Atonement, we both believe:
1) Not all will be saved.
2) A free offer of the gospel can rightly be made to everyone. It is very true that "whosever will" may come.
3) We all agree that Christ's death in itself, because He is the infinite Son of God, has infinite merit and is in itself sufficient to pay the penalty of the sins of as many as the Father and the Son decreed, whether it be few or all.

The crux of the whole issue is this: When Christ died, did he actually pay the penalty only for the sins of those who would believe in Him, or for the sins of every person of all ages who ever lived?"
 
Limited Atonement is even pictured in several Old Testament passages. The Ark of Noah was designed and built to house eight people (Hb. 11:7) yet there were thousand possibily living on earth. No holiday was more solemn in ancient Israel than Yom Kippur, the High Day of Atonement. Israel's high priest would annually disappear behind the mystrious veil in the Tabernacle carrying a basin of blood from a sacrificed animal. Later, he would emerge to the celebration of the crowd; the sins of the Nation had been covered for another year. The specific meaning of the ritual is explained in Leviticus chapter sixteen. By carefully reading this passage, it is easy to see that the Jews never conceived of this atonement as being universal in scope, design or application. Note carefully that the recipient of this sacrifice was never mankind in general, but a particular people. "He shall make atonement for the holy place, because of the impurities of 'the son of Israel,' and because of 'their' transgression, in regard to all 'their' sins; and thus he shall do for the tent of meeting which abides with 'them' in the midst of their impurities" (Lev. 16:16 emphasiis added).
It is difficult to miss the analogy between Yom Kippur and the work of Christ upon the cross. Even the writer of Hebrews draws this comparison (Hb. 9:7-12). The Old Testament priest brought blood in before the Mercy Seat to make atonement for the 'sons of the children of Israel,' those people who were joined to Him in the Old Covenant. Christ ascended up to Heaven and presented Himself before the Father to take away the sins of 'his people,' (Mt. 1:21) those joined to Him in the New Covenant.
 
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