MichaelH
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Oh please, me too, I have a question I would like to have someone answer.
Blessings,
Gene
You are treading in very hard territory that can get mixed in the Land of confusion. Interesting and worth a go though.
I have some "loose" explanations for all the scriptures you gave. For example, Kingdom does not mean you won't make it but you won't rule or have a place or reward. Kingdom is not a place, but a position. The only scripture there is that is conclusive is where Jesus blots your name out of the book. Hebrews 6 and 10 denote a believe that is most likely on their way to the Hot place but after using faith, knowing the truth and leaving anyway despite the Spirit of Grace.The scripture never tells us man can or can not break the seal we are sealed with until the day of redemption.
sure it does ..
1 Ti 4:1 ut the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
Luk 9:62 But Jesus said to him, "No one, after putting his hand to the plow and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God."
http://www.forum.mikecarolhelmickministries.org/index.php/topic,36.0.html
The OSAS (Once Saved, Always Saved) doctrine is rooted in Calvinism. (Election)
Molinism and Arminianism both attempt to keep the Soverigenty of God and at the same time claim that man has a free will unlike Calvinism by which man does not have a free will.
However, both Doctrines also say that God is all knowing of any future events, and you often hear expressions that God lives outside of time and other Star Trek related nonsense. So though man has a free will, God knew anyway what the man would choose. Molinism will allow men to choose and if it's not according to God's Divine will, then God knowing the possible outcome of all choices possible and all alternate realities created, God may step in and change outcomes though man believes he made the choices.
The big problem with these two doctrines is that their reliance on the Sovereignty of God boils God down to a mere fortune teller with God's foreknowledge.
If that is the case then one has to ask at what point did God know? for if God created the spirit he put in man knowing the outcome then it's not foreknowledge but it's back to election. That is the Calvinist argument.
In other words if I created a building that I knew would get flooded and ruined by the place I put it, then it's not foreknowledge anymore that the building could get flooded but I would have to take responsibility for putting the building in the flood zone.
Only scriptures can sort this stuff out. It gets pretty convoluted.
Blessings.