Learning Genesis

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Major said:
YES it is. Heaven and Hell are eternal my friend. Simply because you believe in neither one does not make either one not eternal.

You see, truth is not what you or me say it is.....it is what God says it is.
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I didn't mention heaven and hell Major. My point was not to discuss the existence of either, only to say that nothing is eternal. The Sun has a finite life, whether you believe that or not.

I still maintain that truth is subjective, most especially in the matters of whether there is a God or not.
 
Does anyone want to be called a snowflake? or worse a flake? But we are all unique and special. And beauty is a perception and seeing beauty depends on the level of perception. In terms of the universe, the flesh melts fast.
 
Silk said:
OK - Thanks but I wasn't apologizing for my view, I was apologizing for assuming any parents look at their children with love or that they want what is best for them.
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I appreciate your continued discussion Silk. I'm participating in a forum that I guess is normally closed to the likes of me and I respect that. There are no doubt many others viewing this that have no desire whatsoever to engage with me so I realise your openness.
 
TubbyTubby said:
I didn't mention heaven and hell Major. My point was not to discuss the existence of either, only to say that nothing is eternal. The Sun has a finite life, whether you believe that or not.

I still maintain that truth is subjective, most especially in the matters of whether there is a God or not.
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The sun becomes something different - it can be said that it changes but it doesn't end.
 
I like you Tubby. At least you now admit that your mind is not closed. And most people here aren't driving to change your mind to "prove" they are right. They already know this. We know that the God we know exists loves you and He asks that we do what we can to return you to Him. We see ourselves in you and that we too, would be lost except for the Grace of God.
 
TubbyTubby said:
I didn't mention heaven and hell Major. My point was not to discuss the existence of either, only to say that nothing is eternal. The Sun has a finite life, whether you believe that or not.

I still maintain that truth is subjective, most especially in the matters of whether there is a God or not.
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I know that you didn't....but I did. Those are the two things that are eternal according to the book that you have not read.
 
Major said:
Now that is only your opinion. My wife calls me......"Stud Muffin".
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I was trying to point out that " Now, what do you do when the snowflake melts?" was taking my quote in the opposite meaning than it was intended not as a personal view of yourself.
 
Silk said:
The sun becomes something different - it can be said that it changes but it doesn't end.
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Yes I agree it does change, it constantly alters its composition as fusion converts one element to another. It will end its life as we recognise it eventually, that was where I was heading.
 
Silk said:
I like you Tubby. At least you now admit that your mind is not closed. And most people here aren't driving to change your mind to "prove" they are right. They already know this. We know that the God we know exists loves you and He asks that we do what we can to return you to Him. We see ourselves in you and that we too, would be lost except for the Grace of God.
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I know you know you are right.

I may be a lot of things, and have had plenty of insults thrown my way over the years but closed-mindedness has never been one if them.

Dare I leave for the evening with another quote. "Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in." Isaac Asimov
 
For years, scientist kept saying entropy - the universe is "dying" and in 2011, they gave the Nobel prize to a guy who discovered the universe is still expanding and in fact, is speeding up. Now they worry that the galaxies will be ripped apart. They say the universe is like composed of 5% physical matter, 20% dark matter and 75% dark energy. That makes 95% of the universe is unseen. I knew where you were headed and I was trying to say that the sun is not finite - it may stop working the way it has but it will go forth in a different changed manner. :) Kinda like the flesh.
 
I love Assimov and have read all of his stuff even the non fiction. He invented the robotics law. Do no harm. We assume many things but God is not one of these.
 
TubbyTubby said:



My Genesis learning is slow, partly because the general consensus here is that the bible should be taken literally and so that makes it even more difficult to understand than if I could treat it as abstract and up for interpretation.
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You can't take the creation text literally and believe in science took. Whether you believe the earth is 6000 years old or millions does not effect salvation anyway. I personally do not take it literally.
 
Silk said:
I love Assimov and have read all of his stuff even the non fiction. He invented the robotics law. Do no harm. We assume many things but God is not one of these.
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Whoever dreamed up 'Short Circuit' didn't think his robots should 'do no harm' they were killers even having the red eyes of a carnivore :whistle::)
 
Huntingteckel said:

You can't take the creation text literally and believe in science took. Whether you believe the earth is 6000 years old or millions does not effect salvation anyway. I personally do not take it literally.
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I pretty much used to share your view and I still tend to ignore scripture "contradictions" I don't quite grasp but I am beginning to see, more and more, where the literalists are coming from and find myself headed there. And starting with salvation is literally the best place to begin and end.
 
I'm not saying that I don't take the Bible seriously, but I also don't believe that nearly every scientist is lying about their research. There is so much in the Bible that is poetry or figurative language that I don't see any problem with accepting scientific fact because it doesn't exactly fit the Bible. There are probably a ton of scribe errors in our current bibles anyway, so I don't think it can be taken literally word for word.
 
Huntingteckel said:

You can't take the creation text literally and believe in science took. Whether you believe the earth is 6000 years old or millions does not effect salvation anyway. I personally do not take it literally.
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I think we can believe both actually.

Science as in known and proven, demonstrable processes.
Science fantasy is a horse of a different colour. As an example, to state that 'nothing is eternal' is totally absurd and as such must be treated as fantasy. Why?
Because to make a statement like that requires an existence which is beyond eternal. Or to put it in simple terms, one would need to see the beginning and end of 'all' things to make such a statement and remain credible.
This just one example of the type drivel being passed of as science these days and as such is definitely not to be believed
So yes, science is good stuff as long as it remains science.
Science fantasy is good for reading on a cold wet winter day when there is nothing better to do.

I recall when the first Russian went into orbit, Nikita Khrushchev (the then Premier of the Soviet Union) made the rather absurd comment that they had 'been out there and found no God therefore there is no God' (my wording, not a direct quote).
Putting a man in orbit requires real science......but to conclude that the entire universe and beyond has been explored......that is the kind of science fantasy that belongs on the back of a breakfast cereal box along with so much other of what is being passed off as science these days.
 
The age of the earth has been determined through many different ways, so it isn't science fantasy. I do agree it's ridiculous to think God is sitting in a rocking chair on Mars or something though.
 
Huntingteckel said:
The age of the earth has been determined through many different ways, so it isn't science fantasy. I do agree it's ridiculous to think God is sitting in a rocking chair on Mars or something though.
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I did read that the Earth's magnetic field is getting weaker. That extrapolated backward, the Earth would have been molten about 10,000 years ago or so.
That would be assuming that the decay rate has always been linear...but if it has been slowly changing, then who knows?
And if the decay rate of our magnetic field is not constant, how many other parameters are subject to the same uncertainty?
I think that if the Magnetic field strength of the Earth can vary, Science should attempt to study and find out exactly why/how this happens. Then when they have a plausible theory, apply it and check those predictions that can be verified.
 
Start with nothing is impossible with the creator who designed all the laws of physics and nature. He knows the "back doors" and loopholes and He knows how to use them. Then tell me what is impossible. Virtual (computer) worlds are designed with a depth of history and how things work that mirror our reality. Can the real creator do less? When all things are possible, you find you don't get stuck on the impossible anymore.
 
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