Now that was an excellent observation and I agree with you my dear!
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Now that was an excellent observation and I agree with you my dear!
Well Tuby Tuby did say that he would be tied up with Mother's day things so the fact that he has gone quiet might be legit.
I don't believe for one moment that he is a genuine enquirer though. His MO is 'OLD' like as though he is reading from a manual on 'how to waist Christian's time'.
Coming from a Christianized country such as the UK where Jesus and God are synonymous it is strange that a genuine enquirer would focus on Genesis and not go straight to the crux of the matter...no pun intended.
Ultimately the nitty gritty of Genesis doesn't matter unless one is vitally concerned about and very uncertain of their future destination......even then salvation based concerns would dominate the inquiries. A genuine enquirer needs to know if he can be saved, how he can be saved and then is he infact saved. Once these are answered in the affirmative, questions about genesis make sense not the other way round. Tubby Tubby is placing his cart before his horse.
So, me thinks Tubby Tubby is not a very genuine enquirer.
I don't believe for one moment that he is a genuine enquirer though. His MO is 'OLD' like as though he is reading from a manual on 'how to waist Christian's time'.
Coming from a Christianized country such as the UK where Jesus and God are synonymous it is strange that a genuine enquirer would focus on Genesis and not go straight to the crux of the matter...no pun intended.
Ultimately the nitty gritty of Genesis doesn't matter unless one is vitally concerned about and very uncertain of their future destination......even then salvation based concerns would dominate the inquiries. A genuine enquirer needs to know if he can be saved, how he can be saved and then is he infact saved. Once these are answered in the affirmative, questions about genesis make sense not the other way round. Tubby Tubby is placing his cart before his horse.
So, me thinks Tubby Tubby is not a very genuine enquirer.
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@calvin He's been ignoring comments and queries since page #2... when he does respond, it's "I'll have to get back to you." And @God calls me Olivia , those verses are about a fruit tree... he's dead, not missing fruit, he's not yet been grafted in. Study what Jesus did when He witnessed... at most a handful of comments, then action. Tubby's had more guidance than Nineveh. He's only trying to appease his conscience while his brain tries to justify its authority over the truth - something God demands 100% surrender of.
I noticed what you are saying and almost did not write it for that reason. The fig tree represents salvation which is shown by fig leaves covering Adam and Eve. Also Jesus seeing Nathaniel under the fig tree shows this. However, Jesus cursed a fig tree for not having fruit. If someone is truly saved they will produce fruit. If no fruit is produced they can appear saved but not be so. True salvation is a continuing faith that God has saved you. Not a one time belief or spiritual experience or a belief of the mind. This is what outer water baptism is about: a commitment to a continuing belief in what Jesus has done for you verses the inner baptism of the Holy Spirit with living waters which is true salvation.
"Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: 'Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!'"(Matthew 13:3-9).
The seeds in verses 13:5-6 are talking about seeds producing a reaction but not unto true salvation because only good ground (the truly saved) produce a crop. We know that thorns and stones represent that it was true submission to God.
Although tubbytubby is not in verses 13:5-6 he would be classified in verse 13:4 where the seed is by the wayside.
If a farmer plants seeds and in some places they grow well and in others they don't grow, he will probably try to fertilize and fix the land in a new way so that the seeds can grow and the land isn't wasted. If however, after trying many methods there still is no growth then the farmer will probably say this land is unusable, but at first he will attempt to save his property. For people were created by God and He wants to save all that He can.
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I see you all have lots of ideas why I may be here asking questions. I've been honest with you though from the start. If I've failed to answer questions then it's not through trying to avoid them.
You did tell us you were not here to get saved. You know that my and the hope of many others is for your salvation however, but you were truthful that it wasn't your purpose for being here. I still want to talk to you knowing this however and ask that you answer my questions in number 420. Thank you.
I'm not entirely sure why I told my story, perhaps I was trying to dispel the stereotype that atheists are angry types who don't care for others. I wasn't lying to her according to what I know, I think that is more honest than telling her God is waiting, even though it may not be particularly comforting for her.
If you can, for one moment, imagine that there is no God then you could see why I would say that.
On the contrary...I know some atheists that are loving caring generous etc.,...the issue is IF there is a God (which one cannot know there is not) then what do they do with the sns they did in fact commit (albeit maybe only a handful)...these unless dealt with will keep them out of His presence....
And one most definately cannot know that there is.
Incorrect....personal experience (not mere mental belief) of millions IS empirical....One can definitely not "Prove" God exists to someone who has never experienced God...but that is not the same...
Thus one can definitely know there is a God but one cannot definitely know there is not...(associating "proving and knowing" is a category error)!
No, you cannot know that there is a God. You have faith that there is a God, that's different.
Yes I can KNOW there is a God (your idea of what faith is misses the point) because I know Him....I know my grandfather (albeit he is now dead)...I know my friend Bob...my mother....therefore they are...
I met Him and He speaks to me and I believe Him and do what He says I should do and He does what He says He would do in return...when He speaks to me I know His voice so I know it is Him (just like if my brother James calls me on the phone, as soon as I hear his voice I know it is him...not I believe nor have faith it is him, as you would define faith or belief)...I know His voice because I have spent so much time with Him....
This same one (who I would have sworn for years did not exist except in ones imagination) has shown His word to be prescient...able to determine things in a way outside "the natural order" as you would define such an order (where now I find such things to be part of the whole natural order....)...I have personally (along with others at the same time) experienced things (while still an agnostic) that CANNOT be explained ever by the little box you would call the scientific method...
I refuse to reject reality just because you have never yet had the good fortune to have experience with God...
Paul
No - I know there is a God. It is not "just" a belief. It is personal, unique to me and undeniable. The word faith is used in many ways and I have faith but not in the way you mean it. It is so unique to me that it is non transferable. If I say to you - I live in a log cabin, if you find me credible - you might believe me and that is where I live. But I know where I live. I can tell you what my iron clad proof is but to you? What does it mean. I have already told you, and Gene - and others - You have to ask God if He exists and then listen for the answer. Because God knows what will convince you and I do not. But you have to have ears to hear and eyes to see it.
I would need to see your log cabin before I believed it. But that is easy to prove, and is not something that requires faith.
You have convinced yourself that you know there is a God without seeing his log cabin.
We (not all here) have experienced God and observed God acting in this world...this is the basis of what is called empirical evidence. No one has experienced cross-phyletic morphism (creatures of one phyla becoming a creature of a different phyla...). No one has observed it ever....so this belief is not based on empirical evidence. Hmmm? Interesting! Yet millions believe the non-empirical and reject the empirical? Yet they are alleging themselves to be the more rational? On what basis?
Let me give you a simple example of hearing God's voice in a daily way. I am driving from a store and across the street is a thrift shop which I was not planning on going to. God tells me go to the thrift shop and get the tea cup. I personally wanted to get my last errand done and go home, but I obeyed God. There on the shelf is a very nice teacup with special detail. I buy it and go to my last errand and in that store I met a lady and we begin to talk. She is severely grieving the recent loss of her grandmother. She mentions the tea time she used to have with her grandmother, but she has nothing left from her because they have torn down her grandmother's house. I feel by the movement of God's Spirit that the cup is meant for her. When she sees the cup she is ecstatic because it is like the kind her grandmother had and somehow it helps her (which only God understands). This is how the voice of God is to us. Clear and definite communication, not some imaginary thoughts.
I didn't convince myself. My point, which I'm sure you got, is that my proof won't fit for you. Like Brother Paul, God has spoken to me and I have seen Him. I have experiences, some shared with others (witnesses) to things that are "spiritual" but I don't expect or care whether I am believed. It goes with the territory. That's why YOU need to ask. You notice, no one here feels that God won't show you - we all know better.
If you had no prior indoctrination to believe there is a God you would not know of such a thing.
How could I have known of the teacup thing? Believers have instances like this happen all the time. They can't possibly come from indoctrination.
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