Why Did God Lie?

[Major]

So it is acts of hatred that separate the true followers of Christ? That seems fair enough.

But how far are you willing to go for God?

I'm pretty sure the christians who have committed atrocities believed they were doing Gods work (even if they were not doing it and they were never true christians in the first place).

So how far will you go?

Where in the world are you getting your thoughts from???????

Acts of hatred separate true followers of Christ?????? What kind of thinking is that??????

Believers of Christ are bonded together by love for the Saviour by the power of the Holy Spirit not separated by acts of hate.

 

[Major]

"This can be looked at from another perspective. If you are good and truthfully judge yourself 1 Cor 11:31, why in the universe will you not accept the teachings of Jesus (the God of good) and accept Him into your life? It doesn't add up."

Because the nonbeliever doesn't have actual evidence of a god so he/she will always continue to search, but the nonbeliever will show love to others though.

WRONG!

No one in the world can truthfully judge himself! NO ONE! That is why Jesus Christ will be your judge. He created man and He will judge man.

Again......it has nothing to do with being GOOD! No one can be good enough to impress God so as to allow them entrance to HIs home ---heaven. It is all about SIN and how is YOUR sin paid for????

Are you forgiven of your sin or are YOU going to pay the penalty for YOUR sin?

My friend, "good" people do not accept the teachings of Jesus. ALL people, good---bad--pretty---ugly---fat-skinny must and can only come to God through the grace of God by FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8.....
"We are saved by the grace of God through faith and not in works lest you boast".

Jesus IS NOT THE GOD OF GOOD!!!! Jesus is THE GOD OF ALL!!!!

 

[Major]

or were brought up in another culture where the teaching of Jesus couldn't get into the area. like a person being raised in India and there is no christian teaching availible in that area at the time, but that person will show love. Can we will call that person a "sinner"?

YES!

Rom. 3:23
"ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".

Romans 1:20
"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead so THAT THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE".

IN other words.......Nature itself tells all men that there is a Creator so that ALL men are guility of sin because ALL MEN ARE SINNERS.

 

[workmx]

"SIN" is simply a word that describes disobedience under one umbrella.

You make not believe in disbedience or misbehaving but I will bet my last dollar that you had a hand of correction place on your butt when you were growing up my friend.

No. My parents were not violent.

 

[workmx]

Exo 6:3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.

The bible approves slavery. It is not reliable.

 

[Mitspa]

The bible approves slavery. It is not reliable.

That's wrong...God called people in slavery ...many of the first "Christians" were slaves...what the Lord did not want was the true faith to become about rebellion and an excuse for man to overturn the established rule through the efforts of man, but to overcome these things by His Spirit. God always delivers His people from slavery, but He does it according to His ability, not mans!

 

[workmx]

That's wrong...God called people in slavery ...many of the first "Christians" were slaves...what the Lord did not want was the true faith to become about rebellion and an excuse for man to overturn the established rule through the efforts of man, but to overcome these things by His Spirit. God always delivers His people from slavery, but He does it according to His ability, not mans!

So, slavery is fine? I see!

 

[Mitspa]

So, slavery is fine? I see!

Did I say that?... come on workmx...don't be a jerk for a while and folks might be able to get along with you?

 

[workmx]

Did I say that?... come on workmx...don't be a jerk for a while and folks might be able to get along with you?

So what do you mean?

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

The bible approves slavery. It is not reliable.

Didn't we go over that already?

There are two types of slavery found in the Bible.

1. People who are poor give their lives to richer people to work for them. In return they get to have something to do and a place to live.

2. People are taken and put in chains, then forced to work.

Most of the slavery in the Bible refers to #1. God saves his people from #2 slavery multiple times.

 

[Mitspa]

So what do you mean?

I mean come on...you been complaining for days now..and your rude..and folks are just getting bored with your going on and on...Its just old..Start trying to have an honest discussion with folks and see where that might led?

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

I mean come on...you been complaining for days now..and your rude..and folks are just getting bored with your going on and on...Its just old..Start trying to have an honest discussion with folks and see where that might led?

I wouldn't brush him off so easily. Maybe he is sincere.

 

[goggles]

Also By what they do.........not what they say they do.

@Major - I don't understand.

Where in the world are you getting your thoughts from???????

Acts of hatred separate true followers of Christ?????? What kind of thinking is that??????

Believers of Christ are bonded together by love for the Saviour by the power of the Holy Spirit not separated by acts of hate.

I mean, how do you differentiate between the followers of Christ who do good and those who do not?

The people who do evil things and still call themselves and who think themselves followers of Christ are obviously not followers of Christ according you because of their hateful acts but if you ask them on any given day they would say that they have accepted Jesus as their saviour and are in fact doing (however hateful it may be) his work.

 

[BalooU]

Where in the world are you getting your thoughts from???????

Acts of hatred separate true followers of Christ?????? What kind of thinking is that??????

Believers of Christ are bonded together by love for the Saviour by the power of the Holy Spirit not separated by acts of hate.

Also, what crosses the line of "love" and "not caring" and "not neglecting"?
Loving someone is caring for someone.
Not caring = not doing anything for that person
not neglecting = not attending to their needs

Can you still be "loving" to all if you aren't helping all (literally) of that is in need?
There are millions of homeless people that needs help. If you are helping someone, that means, you are also neglecting someone else that needs help and therefore you are not loving to that person. If you are not loving and cannot give help to that person, can you be considered "evil"? it's not that you are not caring about that person, just that you cannot help that person because you have so limited time.

 

[workmx]

Nope. You are either in Adam or Jesus. No other options.

Why?

 

[workmx]

Jesus was talking to His disciples. He means those who claim to be Christians will show love.

Well they kind of failed at that.

 

[workmx]

What evidence do we believers have that they don't have? It's glarringly obvious God exists.

Where? Just asserting something does not make it true.

 

[workmx]

or were brought up in another culture where the teaching of Jesus couldn't get into the area. like a person being raised in India and there is no christian teaching availible in that area at the time, but that person will show love. Can we will call that person a "sinner"?

The christian god, as presente here, is very keen to toture people for his own failure to make himself clear and present in the world.

Very far from loving indeed.

 

[KingJ]

So, slavery is fine? I see!

The OT has many laws for slaves and their masters.

1. Its a 6 year contract Exo 21:2.
2. The slave can leave at anytime and the new master must not report him / her Deut 23:15.
3. If the master abuses a slave the master is accountable for damages and if it is serious, the slave is free Exo 21:26-27.
4. The slaves can choose to stay with their masters.
5. Whoever kidnaps a person and sells them shall be put to death Exo 21:16

Slaves lifestyles were improved. They were educated and compensated. Sounds more like an employment contract / looking after casualties of war to me.

God speaks out against the modern idea of slavery 1 Tim 1:10 The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine.

Now the million dollar question, are you going to apologize to God? ...for lying / making a terrible assumption without knowing scripture...aka falsely judging God...like a typical atheist tends to do everytime they open their mouths...

 

[workmx]

The OT has many laws for slaves and their masters.
1. Its a 6 year contract Exo 21:2.

That was only for Hebrews.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

For non-Hebrews:

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

What about the sexual slavery:

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

The rules for beating your slaves:

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

The NT still approves slavery:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."

(Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Now the billion dollar qustion: when will you apologise to me?