How The Devil/satan Deceiveth The Whole World

Galatians 1:6........
"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel".

You as a Judaizer are propogating one of the oldest heresies known to man. YOU are trying to add something to the gospel of grace instead of believing the gospel of grace.

You are actually a cult member who wants to DO something in addition to believing something. Salvation is belief in the work of Jesus Christ plus NOTHIN!!!!!

Galatians 1:8 is very clear........
"But though we or an angel from heaven preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed."

YOU as a Judaizer are trying to do exactly what Galatians warns about.

Romans 4:5 says.....
"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness".

I understand that YOU as a Judaizer do not deny the facts of the gospel, YOU just deny that what Jesus did was enough to save and keep men saved. YOU keep insisting that we must keep the Las plus trust in Christ. I got it!

But what Paul says in very clear, understandable language is the whoever tries to mingle Law and grace........is to be damned!!!

You my friend and any who believe as you do are "perverting" the gospel and are in grave danger.


How can you fix your mind to respond to me when you don't follow Christ. You keep Sunday a day that no prophet or apostle, even Jesus kept. Plus you mix paganism in all what you do and put Jesus Christ name on it. Paul said in Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. A man asked Jesus this very question, "...What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?", and Jesus replied, "... KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS" (Matthew 19:16-19).
 
Sunday worshippers, Easter, Christmas, and now new Testament Christians, all mix together, and you have know idea what is righteous and unrighteous according to the Bible. Paganism and the Bible do not go hand in hand!
Yes, don't practice that but always remember the Lord called the hypocrites who claimed to keep the law, the children on the devil.
 
This what the Apostle Paul told the jailer while in prison.

Acts 16:30
29And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, 30and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."…

Does not get any simpler than this.
 
Sunday worshippers, Easter, Christmas, and now new Testament Christians, all mix together, and you have know idea what is righteous and unrighteous according to the Bible. Paganism and the Bible do not go hand in hand!

Holy Spirit in us is what sets us apart. We know what is righteous and what isn't by Him.

Have you experienced His baptism?
 
This what the Apostle Paul told the jailer while in prison.

Acts 16:30
29And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, 30and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."…

Does not get any simpler than this.


I agree , but understand that Paul is not saying that's all that have to be done. Lets continue and skip down to verse 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

So we see another part of the word of God that must be done. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Read all of Paul writing before you destroy your self and others.
 
Holy Spirit in us is what sets us apart. We know what is righteous and what isn't by Him.

Have you experienced His baptism?


The Holy Spirit is in those who are baptize in the name of Jesus and who have truly repented. Like...Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts1:36-38). Can't go to church on Sunday and say you know what's right, you are then calling the Lord a lie. Now Paul said in (Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days. Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures. I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi.
 
You so guilty its really any need to commit on anything you say.
GUILTY? I am not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ, for therin is the power of God revealed from faith to faith, jut as it is written the just shall live by faith....and the law is not of faith.:eek:
 
The Holy Spirit is in those who are baptize in the name of Jesus and who have truly repented. Like...Peter said unto them, "repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts1:36-38). Can't go to church on Sunday and say you know what's right, you are then calling the Lord a lie. Now Paul said in (Acts 17:1-2) (v.2) Now when they had passed through Am-phip’-o-lis and Ap-ol-lo’-ni-a, they came to Thes-sa-lo-ni’-ca, where was a synagogue of the Jews: (v.2) And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures," Now Paul evidently was around Thes-sa-lo-ni'-ca for a few weeks and as his manner was he went into the synagogue three sabbath days. Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law. Paul went into the synagogue every sabbath, not every Sunday people, this is the apostle Paul, and it said that Paul reasoned with them out of the scriptures. I wonder why Paul didn't enlighten them with some 1 Corinthians, or maybe hit them with some Galatians, or endow them with a little 2 Thessalonians, because these books were not around when Paul was preaching the gospel. He reasoned with them out of the scriptures, which are from Genesis to Malachi.

Nice non-answer. Again I ask: Have you experienced the baptism of the Holy Spirit as in Acts 19?
 
Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law.

You just contradicted yourself. The two are in no wise related. It means a tradition. Synagogue attendance (never at the Tabernacle or Temple) was created during the Babylonian captivity...you really need to study more Bro Tan...you do this often to the demise of your own points...
 
The first Christians met on Sundays, the first day of the week, and celebrated the Lord's supper on Sunday. They also referred to Sunday as the lord's Day.

It's the law, alright---the law of Christ!
 
I agree , but understand that Paul is not saying that's all that have to be done. Lets continue and skip down to verse 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

So we see another part of the word of God that must be done. In order to be baptized, certain events must take place: You must give up a lifestyle where sin has dominion, (ruler ship) over you. Sin according to 1 John 3:4, Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression (breaking) of the law. You must be taught "The Word", before you can adhere to God's commandments (judgments\statues). Paul said in Romans 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11 For there is no respect of persons with God. 12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; 13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. Read all of Paul writing before you destroy your self and others.

Rom 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

If you want to know what "work" we are to do for salvation, Jesus tells us what that is.....

Joh 6:27 Do not labor for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you. For on him God the Father has set his seal."
Joh 6:28 Then they said to him, "What must we do, to be doing the works of God?"
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

To simply believe the Word of God is the only "work" we as Christians do. Any other works we do would be called "iniquity"
Jesus speaks about a group of people who will do works as a means of getting salvation. They thought through faith and works salvation is received. They will have a big surprise on that day when Jesus tells them, "I never knew you, you who work iniquity"

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

We are not saved by faith and works, but only by "grace" No amount of faith and works can save anyone without grace being the means of our salvation. What is the will of his Father in Heaven? To believe the Word of God!! Faith and works are not done by us! It is not our responsibility to work faith as faith can only be done by God himself. "Faith works by Love (God)" Since God is love, then only God can do the works of faith, not man!!! You seem to believe in a works based salvation, and not saved by grace.
Jesus the Son of God said this about himself......

John5:30, I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

Jesus the Son of God claimed that he could do nothing on his own, and that it was his Father that was dwelling in him that was doing the works!! And then we hear Jesus telling his Apostles....

Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If Jesus said he could do nothing of him self, and we can do nothing without him how is it you say you can?
Do you know something Jesus did not know? Are you stronger than him? Can you do righteousness on your own? Is there anything you can do that is good? The Bible is not about man doing anything except believing the word of God. It is all about God doing for man what man could not possibly do, and not only is about God doing for man what he could not do, but it is still about God doing for man what he still can not do!!!! Since Christ is our life, it is only through him we can do anything good, and not us. The very moment you think you are doing anything for your salvation, you are in deep trouble.
 
You so guilty its really any need to commit on anything you say.
On another thread, I wrote to you:
Tan, I see you may enjoy the 1611 KJV. I've never read one, so that is interesting to me. I've read through parts of your posts, however, and I am curious about when you started observing Torah. I also see, from what you write, that you believe that those who do not also observe all of Torah are not Messiah's. Is that true? As a Torah-observant person, I would really appreciate your answers. Thank you. tezriLi, Yesterday at 6:57 PM

You chose not to answer my query but instead continue to go about, from thread to thread, accusing, as evidenced in post 340554. What do you hope to accomplish? If you can tell us, perhaps we can all begin to actually communicate.
 
Do you understand what the word manner means? Its definition is; a characteristic or customary mode of acting: custom: fashion. It was the law.

You just contradicted yourself. The two are in no wise related. It means a tradition. Synagogue attendance (never at the Tabernacle or Temple) was created during the Babylonian captivity...you really need to study more Bro Tan...you do this often to the demise of your own points...

Yep......I have said the same thing to him several times now.

What is that old saying????

"Better to remain silent than and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt".......................". (Abraham Lincoln).
 
What does the Sabbath have to do with the day you "attend church"?



I don't see a single word about "attending church" in that commandment. The only thing it says to do is not work.

I meet with my local church on Thursday evening, btw. It wouldn't bother me in the slightest if we decided to meet on a different day. This is because, as far as I can tell, the fourth commandment has nothing at all to do with the day that you "attend church."

In Judaism, attending the Synagogue is not limited to the Sabbath (Synagogues have three services every day, and extra services on some days). Synagogue attendance is encouraged on the Sabbath, but it isn't one of the "legal" requirements, which have more to do with how "work" is to be defined.

So I guess I qualify as being among the ones who "say that it really doesn't matter what day you attend church."



It states in scripture Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of The Lord in all your dwellings. A holy convocation is an assemble(church)
 
On another thread, I wrote to you:
Tan, I see you may enjoy the 1611 KJV. I've never read one, so that is interesting to me. I've read through parts of your posts, however, and I am curious about when you started observing Torah. I also see, from what you write, that you believe that those who do not also observe all of Torah are not Messiah's. Is that true? As a Torah-observant person, I would really appreciate your answers. Thank you. tezriLi, Yesterday at 6:57 PM

You chose not to answer my query but instead continue to go about, from thread to thread, accusing, as evidenced in post 340554. What do you hope to accomplish? If you can tell us, perhaps we can all begin to actually communicate.


I believe that he reads not just the first five books. I believe that he reads the entire Bible Genesis to Revelation! The law and the testimony!
 
It states in scripture Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of The Lord in all your dwellings. A holy convocation is an assemble(church)
First that's the OLD Testament law...second the NEW testament makes ABOSOLUTLY clear that the Church meets on the first day of the week... That the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ.
 
It states in scripture Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of The Lord in all your dwellings. A holy convocation is an assemble(church)


...in all your dwellings...Israel NEVER went to tabernacle, Temple, or synagogue on the 7th day...until after they returned from captivity...you are correct in that for Israel, according to their covenant (not made with their fathers, not commanded in the New Covenant), it was to be a Holy Convocation but in (where) all (plural) their (personal) dwellings (plural, houses)...

Exodus 16:29 "...let no man go out from his place on the Sabbath."

Wake up sleeper...this custom was invented by men while in captivity...it is NOT Torah!
 
Do you have a source for that interpretation? There is some really interesting academic writing about that phrase. If you're interested in reading about it, I can pass on the links.


Acts 7:37-38
37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
 
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