Should Christmas be Celebrated Or Rejected, You Decided

I am thoroughly surprised by your supposed knowledge of Druid practices.
Since they were wiped out by the Romans and no records of their practices have ever been found,
how did you manage to know so much about them?
 
Glomung said:
I am thoroughly surprised by your supposed knowledge of Druid practices.
Since they were wiped out by the Romans and no records of their practices have ever been found,
how did you manage to know so much about them?
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Might be helpful to hit reply when speaking to someone... I'm guessing here that your comment were not for me?
 
Glomung said:
I am thoroughly surprised by your supposed knowledge of Druid practices.
Since they were wiped out by the Romans and no records of their practices have ever been found,
how did you manage to know so much about them?
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I don't know so much about them, I understand what I quoted...their god and goddess. I see they practices every year Dec 25th
 
Bro.tan said:
I don't know so much about them, I understand what I quoted...their god and goddess. I see they practices every year Dec 25th
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No living person has any notion of Druid practices,they left no records.
There are pagans who make them up as they go along and claim they are Druidic.
And there are misinformed Christians who claim that all sorts of harmless things are pagan.
 
Glomung said:
No living person has any notion of Druid practices,they left no records.
There are pagans who make them up as they go along and claim they are Druidic.
And there are misinformed Christians who claim that all sorts of harmless things are pagan.
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The very word "Druid" means wise man of the oak, or "One who has knowledge of the oak." The custom of lighting a Yule log is an ancient Druid practice. A log, usually of the god-related oak tree, is carved into a small section which is brought into a dwelling. Holes are drilled into the log and candies inserted. The entire log is then decoratively covered with holly and evergreens to represent the intertwining of god and goddess, or male and female elements. Hopes for fertile crops, herds, and families are invested in the Yule log image.

Christmas tress and declaration on it is a form of Druid practice...which goes back in the days of the prophet Jeremiah 10:1-5 "Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
 
Jer 10:5. Their idols are like scarecrows in a cucumber field, and they cannot speak; they have to be carried, for they cannot walk. Do not be afraid of them, for they cannot do evil, neither is it in them to do good."
It seems to me that the Lord is telling us that these things are somewhat neutral in themselves, niether good nor bad.
That would leave the onus on us then to not use them for evil. For those who do use them as a Christmas decoration, in honor of the Christ child, there is no evil intent.
Thanks for sharing that passage Bro.tan.
 
Roads said:
Yeah. God didn't accept the Hebrews' observances of the Torah feasts/assemblies/offerings because their neglect of justice and righteousness made those observances irrelevant. I don't really see why you're posting that here.



See post 27.









Before all that, they were just parts of God's creation, which He made good. Did pagan people somehow find the power to forever corrupt what God made good?

These things are just decorations. They don't have any meaning anymore beyond that. Their origins don't matter, except that originally, God made them all good.
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He does it because he is a "Judaizer". He expounds and believes that we must keep the law as well as have faith in Christ to be and stay saved.
 
calvin said:
You have a scripture to share that explicitly states that Christmas and Easter are sin in the sight of God?
I see you have posted Scripture, but nothing that covers Christian worship being sin, and as you say it doesn't matter what you think, it is what God says................waiting, waiting, waiting.
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You might as well take a nap because the answer is going to be a long time coming.
 
Bro.tan said:
Yes sir!
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Colossians 2:16-17........
“Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.”

Rom. 14:5........... “One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.”

These Scriptures make it clear that, for the Christian, Sabbath-keeping is a matter of spiritual freedom, not a command from God. Sabbath-keeping is an issue on which God’s Word instructs us not to judge each other. Sabbath-keeping is a matter about which each Christian needs to be fully convinced in his/her own mind.

The real problem here with Tan and other SDA the Sabbath-keeping debate is the concept that the Sabbath was the day of worship. Groups such as the Seventh Day Adventists hold that God requires the church service to be held on Saturday, the Sabbath day. That is not what the Sabbath command was.
The Sabbath command was to do no work on the Sabbath day. Nowhere in Scripture is the Sabbath day commanded to be the day of worship.

It has always amazed me how people can twist and add to the Word of God to make it say what THEY want it to say instead of just believing what it does say.
 
Major said:
It has always amazed me how people can twist and add to the Word of God to make it say what THEY want it to say instead of just believing what it does say.
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Unfortunately there are a lot of people like that; its really sad. :(
 
Roads said:
That's exactly what I'm telling you, bro. What God has made good, and has seen fit to use for His good work, we have no business calling sin.

Going back to the example of Joseph:
Genesis 50:20

20 But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive.

I've done my homework. I've read the history. Maybe you can trace the history of the use of God's creation for pagan practices. But I've also done this homework and read this history: Genesis 1. God declared his creation good, man. That's of God. Believing that created things are anything other than created things? That is of man. Who took branch cuttings, and logs, and mistletoe and declared them to be ways to worship false gods? Was it God or man who did that? And will we now follow the teachings of men and believe their declaration, or should we instead follow the teaching of God, who called his creation good?

Maybe at one time, temporarily, people tried to use God's creation to "think evil against Him," but now, "God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." I challenge you next Christmas to go to where God's work is being done on Christmas, and simply observe the ways the Spirit has seen fit to use it for God's good work. I don't know about you, but I am extremely uncomfortable taking something that the Spirit has obviously chosen for "good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive," and label it "sin" because men once planned it for evil.
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Agreed Roads.....excellent comments. May I add to your thinking by saying I would argue that nearly everything in our culture is rooted in paganism. Even the names of the months of the year and planets are named after pagan gods. The names of the days of the week also have their origin in paganism. "Thursday originally stood for the Germanic god of the sky or of thunder. Tuesday stood for Tiw, the god of war. And Wednesday is derived from Woden, the chief god in Germanic mythology. Sunday and Monday were related somehow to the worship of the sun and the moon.. Saturday is from Saturnus, or Saturn, and Friday comes from Fria, the goddess of love."

Now........do we stop living and working and acknowledging those pagan named days? Of course not!!!!

Then the basic idea behind our government is Roman, which is a pagan culture. The fact of the matter is that our entire culture is rooted in paganism.

Here is the key in my opinion......Just because something has its roots in paganism, does not mean that it is evil today. The question we must ask ourselves is whether something that is pagan in origin still carries the same pagan connotations it once did. Christmas and Easter were Roman pagan holidays. Christmas came from the Roman feast of the Unconquered Sun (Sol Invictus) celebrated on December 25th. Later, when Christianity was legalized by Constantine I, this feast day was replaced with a celebration of Christ's birth. Obviously in our culture Christmas and Easter have become Christian in meaning instead of pagan. That which has its roots in paganism is often divorced from its original meaning, and invested with new, non-pagan meaning over time. This has been the case with Easter and Christmas.
 
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