Israel's role in the end times

Not many people seem to know this, but as soon as Saddam had the victory in Kuwait under his belt - he gave the order for 98 jets laden with weapons of mass destruction to attack Israel according to his number two man in the Air force General Georges Sada. The planes were being fitted with reserve fuel tanks for the return flight for those who survived the attack. Half of the planes were to come in from the north over Jordan; and half from the south - all at once in a massive surprise attack. How many would have made it? – unknown, but if only one made it the death toll could have been very great. Saddam was also massing his forces for an all out attack on Saudi Arabia.


Both plans were canceled because of the action of George Bush 41 and the coalition in the liberation of Kuwait in 1991. Before the invasion of Baghdad General Sada also reported that 56 commercial plane loads of WMD's were flown to Syria under the guise of flood relief. Convoys were also sent. This revelation was totally ignored by the news media in keeping with their ideological editing of the news. Should a major outbreak of violence with Syria occur in the future – look out for these WMD's to reappear.


Ref: Saddam's Secrets by General Georges Sada
Gen Sada is a Christian and survived contradicting Saddam on many occasions by telling the truth and not pandering to him. He was number two in the Iraqi Air Force only because top officers in Saddam's regime had to be members of the Baath Party – and Sada refused.

If we can't believe Sada, who has never lied and was a top insider in Saddam's war machine - who can we believe?


I have a couple of questions: Who are these people who have this information? Who was the President of Iraq and the Commander of the Iraqi Air Force?
Willow99
 
A quote from a peacemaker:

“From the statement in Rom. 13:10, that “love worketh no ill to his neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,†it will be seen that Christian love does not possibly admit of wars and fightings. Its possession makes it impossible for one to say, as is frequently said in these days, “I have been an advocate of peace and arbitration for twenty-five years, butâ€â€”and then go on to say that under such provocation as now exists war is welcomed. “Love worketh no ill to his neighbor;†and no philosophy can ever make it appear that it does a man any good to kill him.

When the soldiers asked John the Baptist what they should do, as followers of the Lamb of God, to whom he pointed, he replied, “Do violence to no man.†Luke 3:14. Those who asked were “soldiers on service,†as we see from the margin of the Revised Version. And the margin also gives as the alternative rendering of John’s answer, “Put no man in fear.†It would be a very mild war in which this command was followed. Love never does any harm to anybody; but love is active, since it is the life of God; therefore love is always doing good. Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, “went about doing good.†End Quote

Are we not to be Patriotic?

One may ask, "What about patriotism, a love of country?" We could say then, "Christian patriotism is a love for country of his Christian birth." If I'm not out of line to say so, the Christian birth is the new birth; it's being "born again," which is being "born from above," that would be heaven.

Abraham was commanded by God to "Get thee out of thy country, ... into the land that I will show thee." And "confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. ... But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly:" Hebrews 11:13-16.

Christian patriotism is the love of the heavenly country. Then should Christians fight? YES. "Fight the good fight of faith ..." 1 Timothy 6:12.

Remember, "...the carnal mind is enmity against God" Romans 8:7. ("For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds). Casting down imaginations [human reasoning], and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God..." 2 Corinthians 10:4, 5.

"I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world." John 17:14.

May spiritual Israel be peacemakers, not warmakers. If Christians are not peacemakers, who will fulfill God's word in Christ?

blessings in Christ,
John


Amen! We as Christians have our own war to fight and it is a spiritual one. Let no man that warreth entangle himself/herself in the affairs of this world.
 
I have a couple of questions: Who are these people who have this information? Who was the President of Iraq and the Commander of the Iraqi Air Force?
Willow99

Dear Willow,
General Sada does not name the pilots who made the flights in his book. He claimed to know them personally however. I would think that somebody would persue this. I don't think the mainstream media would be interested in locating the missing WMD'S because their agenda is to destroy Bush politically. They completely ignored this significant news when it broke a year or two ago.

Saddam was in control of Iraq, and I think Muzahim Sa'b Hasan al-Tikriti was the Commander of the Iraqi Air Defense Forces.

Sada interview at KXLY Spokane



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Dear Willow,
General Sada does not name the pilots who made the flights in his book. He claimed to know them personally however. I would think that somebody would persue this. I don't think the mainstream media would be interested in locating the missing WMD'S because their agenda is to destroy Bush politically. They completely ignored this significant news when it broke a year or two ago.

Saddam was in control of Iraq, and I think Muzahim Sa'b Hasan al-Tikriti was the Commander of the Iraqi Air Defense Forces.

Sada interview at KXLY Spokane



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Over one hundred years ago a preacher of righteousness stated, "So generally does the war spirit prevail, that the extent of a nation’s civilization is now measured by its ability to fight successfully. At the same time civilization is supposed to be synonymous with Christianity. This is very suggestive as to the future. ... In the first place, what is the real cause of war, and of the desire to fight? The answer is concisely given in the Bible: “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.” James iv. 1, 2. ... Trade and commerce—the desire to have—are at the bottom of all wars, and with very few, if any exceptions, of all the wars that have ever been waged. Selfishness, greed, the desire to grasp all that one can, and no matter what cost to anybody else, is what leads to fighting, whether on the part of individuals or of nations." End Quote.
 
Over one hundred years ago a preacher of righteousness stated, "So generally does the war spirit prevail, that the extent of a nation’s civilization is now measured by its ability to fight successfully. At the same time civilization is supposed to be synonymous with Christianity. This is very suggestive as to the future. ... In the first place, what is the real cause of war, and of the desire to fight? The answer is concisely given in the Bible: “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.†James iv. 1, 2. ... Trade and commerce—the desire to have—are at the bottom of all wars, and with very few, if any exceptions, of all the wars that have ever been waged. Selfishness, greed, the desire to grasp all that one can, and no matter what cost to anybody else, is what leads to fighting, whether on the part of individuals or of nations." End Quote.

Pretty much true - but on the individual Christian's stand point men are involuntarily inducted (I was in 1963) into the military - on both sides - like the civil war, which had the greatest number of casualties than any war we have been in. What do you do then? Refuse to fight? That's an option because history shows that the all Christian Thebes Legion in the Roman army refused to fight in the days Of Diocletion against Christian Gauls. The Legion was decimated as punishment - every tenth soldier was killed. It was done a second time and later the whole legion of 6,600 men were killed for their conviction not to fight.

The Legion sent this message to Maximillian...

"Emperor, we are your soldiers but also the soldiers of the true God. We owe you military service and obedience, but we cannot renounce Him who is our Creator and Master, and also yours even though you reject Him. In all things which are not against His law, we most willingly obey you, as we have done hitherto. We readily oppose your enemies whoever they are, but we cannot stain our hands with the blood of innocent people (Christians). We have taken an oath to God before we took one to you, you cannot place any confidence in our second oath if we violate the other (the first). You commanded us to execute Christians, behold we are such. We confess God the Father the creator of all things and His Son Jesus Christ, God. We have seen our comrades slain with the sword, we do not weep for them but rather rejoice at their honour. Neither this, nor any other provocation have tempted us to revolt. Behold, we have arms in our hands, but we do not resist, because we would rather die innocent than live by any sin.''

This is the extreme end of courage.

Larry - A fellow heir
 
Over one hundred years ago a preacher of righteousness stated, "So generally does the war spirit prevail, that the extent of a nation’s civilization is now measured by its ability to fight successfully. At the same time civilization is supposed to be synonymous with Christianity. This is very suggestive as to the future. ... In the first place, what is the real cause of war, and of the desire to fight? The answer is concisely given in the Bible: “From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members? Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.†James iv. 1, 2. ... Trade and commerce—the desire to have—are at the bottom of all wars, and with very few, if any exceptions, of all the wars that have ever been waged. Selfishness, greed, the desire to grasp all that one can, and no matter what cost to anybody else, is what leads to fighting, whether on the part of individuals or of nations." End Quote.

Thank you for your reply. Right on about the spirit of war.
I'm attempting to learn more about these foreign countries. You sure don't learn much by watching the news. They would have you think that Iraq is nothing but a war zone because that is mostly all they show us on TV. Just as we don't get the full picture of them they don't get one about America.
 
The liberal bias in the US was so bad at one point it was almost pointless to watch- things like Dan Rather saying " this is what I think should happen " instead of actually reporting the news were all to common. With the realization of the number of voting christians in the is country that has changed somewhat for the better but not near enough- and oh yeah the producers and networks have figured out they can make money producing shows and movies with christain family values but even then it is slow in coming - my point Don't expect to see news coverage of the WMD's in the US anytime soon!

Yes, the media can make or break a man/woman. They concentrate on what they want to and ignore the rest. You're lucky to see some things one time and one time only and then it is buried in the graveyard of truth.
I learn more by reading the words passing along the bottom than I do from the "actual big time stories," that they devote so much time to.
Willow99
I have noticed that Fox leans toward the Conservative republicans while CNN is pro democratic.
 
Thank you for your reply. Right on about the spirit of war.
I'm attempting to learn more about these foreign countries. You sure don't learn much by watching the news. They would have you think that Iraq is nothing but a war zone because that is mostly all they show us on TV. Just as we don't get the full picture of them they don't get one about America.

If you want to start with the basics go to...

CIA Website

Click on "Select a country or location" and choose a country - a lot of basic information there.

Another inside source of information are the Military Blogs.


For example: Here is a military Blog page from a Military Doctor in Afganistan. He tells of people sending him supplies and how he distributes them to the poor.


Shazdoc Site
 
Dear Willow,
General Sada does not name the pilots who made the flights in his book. He claimed to know them personally however. I would think that somebody would persue this. I don't think the mainstream media would be interested in locating the missing WMD'S because their agenda is to destroy Bush politically. They completely ignored this significant news when it broke a year or two ago.

Saddam was in control of Iraq, and I think Muzahim Sa'b Hasan al-Tikriti was the Commander of the Iraqi Air Defense Forces.

Sada interview at KXLY Spokane



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I am unable to view the video's. Probably my slow dial-up connection.
 
Every Word

Pretty much true - but on the individual Christian's stand point men are involuntarily inducted (I was in 1963) into the military - on both sides - like the civil war, which had the greatest number of casualties than any war we have been in. What do you do then? Refuse to fight? That's an option because history shows that the all Christian Thebes Legion in the Roman army refused to fight in the days Of Diocletion against Christian Gauls. The Legion was decimated as punishment - every tenth soldier was killed. It was done a second time and later the whole legion of 6,600 men were killed for their conviction not to fight.

The Legion sent this message to Maximillian...

"Emperor, we are your soldiers but also the soldiers of the true God. We owe you military service and obedience, but we cannot renounce Him who is our Creator and Master, and also yours even though you reject Him. In all things which are not against His law, we most willingly obey you, as we have done hitherto. We readily oppose your enemies whoever they are, but we cannot stain our hands with the blood of innocent people (Christians). We have taken an oath to God before we took one to you, you cannot place any confidence in our second oath if we violate the other (the first). You commanded us to execute Christians, behold we are such. We confess God the Father the creator of all things and His Son Jesus Christ, God. We have seen our comrades slain with the sword, we do not weep for them but rather rejoice at their honour. Neither this, nor any other provocation have tempted us to revolt. Behold, we have arms in our hands, but we do not resist, because we would rather die innocent than live by any sin.''

This is the extreme end of courage.

Larry - A fellow heir

Hi Larry,

Interesting quote, thank you. When I was growing up the toy green soldiers were given to me. They were "cool." Today, it's the extreme violent video games. The emulation of those who sound the drum of war can be overwhelming. The rhetoric that comes out of the mouth of those who encourage the "war spirit" is not easily discerned, UNLESS one sticks close to the words of Christ. I can only give you the scripture and expound on the same. "It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4

blessings to you in Christ,
John
 
It is really sad to see all the christians who are being fooled by this literal Israel-conflict (IMO). Christians who think that God is supporting violence against sivilian and children. The same God who told us to love our enemies and turn the other cheek?



Yes , this is literal biblical interpretation and it is happening literally. God fulfills prophesy 2 ways. Literally and Fully. The entire bible is a testimony to that. What we are seeing now is a gathering of the jews into their homeland. Next we will see a spiritual awakening. that is when they realize Jesus is their messiah. God does not approve of them doing violance againsed others. remember , Jesus said turn you cheek, Jews dont believe in Jesus as their messiah. and the Jewish nation is like 90%-95% secular. They are not religious. But that will change. This is also in the Scriptures as a prophesy.
 
I seen LA girls post and I was told about groups of Christians who thought that they were the isreal God is talking about and God is done with the Jews. This is dangerous replacement theology!! If God was talking about spiritual and not literal then why does he say in the old testement that Isreal is the apple of his eye ?? and he lays out the boarders of greater Isreal. The boarders are a LITERAL Isreal. I Think soon that Isreal will take Greater Isreal back. This will cause World War. It is interesting to me to see how gods word comes to life before my eyes. I Think the Jews getting their land back after 2000+ years is AMAZING!!! I cant wait to be with God. But I know I must be patient and not too exited so more people can be saved!! Peace
 
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