The foundational truth that Paul uses for this subject is what he says it is .
Before we jump to any conclusion as to what we think he is saying , we need to understand what he HAS said in the beginning.
If we start with the truth and with each step speak the truth in a sequential argument line upon line precept upon precept we may then by the grace of God arrive at or come to a knowledge of the truth.
For people who jump to conclusions never arrive at the truth .
so lets forget about the gifts and ministries and offices for the moment and start at the beginning as he did .
I am assuming that as true BORN children of God of the word and the Spirit of God we all believe what God says as to the beginning of man?
If any are not they should declare it . or if they say they are but do not actually believe what God says about "in the beginning"?
It will help the discussion .
The church has not left foundational truth it has rarely been taught it .
But rather each denomination teaches its 'truth' according to its own traditions and theological 'schools' Without ever going back to the root of it . But has each in turn accepted a 'doctrine' almost always on an intellectual level with 'tick boxes' of belief.
But each man must judge himself on the matter and search his own heart .
So what actually did Paul say? Im quoting the KJV and dont accept any other authority .
verse 12 .......but I suffer a woman not to teach nor USURP authority over the man but to be in silence "
verse 13 For Adam was formed then Eve .......
Then we need to go back to the book of Genesis and see and understand what he saw and understood by that .
Not disputed .
But why then is there great errors creeping into the church and much strife ? and sound doctrines proved beyond dispute at the reformation now rejected and errors now growingly ecccepted?
and why do false prophets and apostles who parade and perform before Gods people received?
Why in the milk of the Word as to being BORNagain are most of the church in agreement yet practically in all other matters including this one there is none?
Why is it that men seek a unity that denies the truth but seem unwilling to be unified by the Spirit by the Word of God and the Will of God?
For to have a TRUE unity of THE faith there needs must also be a unity of understanding . That no argument of 'maturity' will cover over the lack of it.
as I said before in this issue people do not even go or argue from the foundational thought of Pauls exposition .is it because they do not believe it?
in Christ
gerald
Before we jump to any conclusion as to what we think he is saying , we need to understand what he HAS said in the beginning.
If we start with the truth and with each step speak the truth in a sequential argument line upon line precept upon precept we may then by the grace of God arrive at or come to a knowledge of the truth.
For people who jump to conclusions never arrive at the truth .
so lets forget about the gifts and ministries and offices for the moment and start at the beginning as he did .
I am assuming that as true BORN children of God of the word and the Spirit of God we all believe what God says as to the beginning of man?
If any are not they should declare it . or if they say they are but do not actually believe what God says about "in the beginning"?
It will help the discussion .
The church has not left foundational truth it has rarely been taught it .
But rather each denomination teaches its 'truth' according to its own traditions and theological 'schools' Without ever going back to the root of it . But has each in turn accepted a 'doctrine' almost always on an intellectual level with 'tick boxes' of belief.
But each man must judge himself on the matter and search his own heart .
So what actually did Paul say? Im quoting the KJV and dont accept any other authority .
verse 12 .......but I suffer a woman not to teach nor USURP authority over the man but to be in silence "
verse 13 For Adam was formed then Eve .......
Then we need to go back to the book of Genesis and see and understand what he saw and understood by that .
We have all the hope available to us to be able to understand fully these matters because we have the living Holy Spirit living in us interpreting the scriptures to us, when we are open to His lead.
James 1:5 comes to mind at this point:
If you need wisdom, ask our generous God, and he will give it to you. He will not rebuke you for asking.
Not disputed .
But why then is there great errors creeping into the church and much strife ? and sound doctrines proved beyond dispute at the reformation now rejected and errors now growingly ecccepted?
and why do false prophets and apostles who parade and perform before Gods people received?
Why in the milk of the Word as to being BORNagain are most of the church in agreement yet practically in all other matters including this one there is none?
Why is it that men seek a unity that denies the truth but seem unwilling to be unified by the Spirit by the Word of God and the Will of God?
For to have a TRUE unity of THE faith there needs must also be a unity of understanding . That no argument of 'maturity' will cover over the lack of it.
as I said before in this issue people do not even go or argue from the foundational thought of Pauls exposition .is it because they do not believe it?
in Christ
gerald