Spirit creatures, asexual
Must one Hold to the trinity to be saved?
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There are not all three the same Person!
1. God is eternal. 2. God manifests himself in various ways from time immemorial. 3. The angel told Mary to name the I AM (God with us), Jesus.
Divided! Like modalism.
I do not know a single person who rose from the dead. Please do not reduce God to the level of man< a word you dislike
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I believe that "Sons of God" in the OT are angels in every case.
In Jude, this passage speaks of those angels who "left their own habitation" and did as those in Sodom and Gomorrha and committed fornication and went after strange flesh. This is why they are reserved in everlasting chains until the judgement of the great day. They can't be asexual if they are "giving themselves over to fornication".
Jude:
6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like* manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
These are the angels, sons of God, in Genesis 6.
I'm just giving the warning, not telling others what to do. It's up to each individual what they choose to do in not being deceived.
It is better said that I do NOT support New Testament translations from the Codex Vaticanus (only discovered in the Vatican in 1475) and the Codex Sinaiticus (only discovered in the 1800s, in stages at a Catholic monastery). The origin of BOTH Codexes have not been proven, even though those like Wescott and Hort claimed they were the best and the oldest Greek texts, which also is not proven, yet that is what modern editors and publishers claim. For this reason, modern translations like the NIV have received quite a bit of heat from Evangelicals who understand the differences; Dr. Phil Stringer is just one of those.
Basically what you are saying, is that you don't believe Lord Jesus had 'individuality' before He was born in the flesh, that He was just some kind of 'force' with The Father. And that also means you are saying that angels in heaven are not individual persons manifested in heaven, but just some kind of idea like 'spirit forces'. That idea certainly is not written.
Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
KJV
Sorry, I'm not into man's Oneness doctrines, which I see as an extension by converts to Christ from Judaism. Many of them still have a hard time believing that Lord Jesus is God, and one Person in the triune Godhead.
And I like the KJV translation of Hebrews 1:3 just fine...
Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV
That "... when He had by Himself purged out sins, ..." is also very important to understand, because it means The Father was excepted in that. So even though Jesus Himself said He and The Father are One, The Father did not come to die on the cross, only Jesus did, which reveals Jesus Christ 'God with us' in the flesh (Immanuel). Thus the triune Godhead is... pointing to three Persons. The word Person is just an English word for an individual or specific character; it doesn't define a specie of being.
The problem is statements like the above in red, "took on a "human-like form".
Saying that suggests that He did not have a human-like form (i.e., the image of man) while in the Heavenly, and that idea is nowhere written, but assumed by man's carnal fleshy thinking.
As I have said several times already, the image of man that God created aadam with comes from GOD's Own outward likeness and appearance per Genesis 1:26-27.
Do you believe Genesis 1:26-27 as written?
The image of man originated from the Heavenly, not from flesh humans. This means we must come to understand that image of man exists without a flesh body in the Heavenly. So our Heavenly Father and His Son have always... had that image of man, even in the Heavenly, and there is absolutely no need for Jesus to take on human form when coming to earth back in Old Testament times.
I don't think you understand what the word asexual means. Nor would I rely on modern dictionaries to define that word either, because of influence of the gay-transgender movement.
Some plants and animals are asexual, meaning having no need for male/female traits to reproduce. It is not really just about not having any sexual organs, but having both, and that is the pagan Androgyny belief about their gods.
What Lord Jesus is teaching is that in the heavenly, even though the angels have the image of man, there is no sexual reproduction. This is also why all those in Christ for the world to come will manifest literally in the Heavenly as "sons of God" (1 John 3:2). But the deceived Pharisees, they believe in a fleshy resurrection, that they will have new flesh bodies, and continue to marry and have flesh children in the world to come. Not so.
That last statement above in red I never said, and that is what you should be clear about instead of including it within something I did say. That was my point. I usually put something like, so-and-so said: above the quote, or separate totally with a quote box, just to prevent that confusion.
Angels are not asexual, which would mean being able to reproduce. Sexual organs and the ability to reproduce is of this present FLESH world, not the world to come. And that was what Lord Jesus' Message about no marriage with the resurrection was actually about. And thus even though GOD Himself has the image of 'man', it doesn't mean He has sexual organs!
We will no longer be in flesh bodies in the world to come. The resurrection is to a "spiritual body", not another flesh body (see 1 Corinthians 15).
Gabriel's name means "man of God" like I showed from both the Hebrew of his name, and from Bible dictionaries.
Impossible.
Asexual actually means being able to reproduce without the male/female attributes. Some plants are asexual, meaning they have no need to be pollinated to produce their fruit.
Because Jesus said in the resurrection they don't marry or take in marriage, it means no ability to reproduce in the Heavenly. And Apostle Paul showed the resurrection is to a "spiritual body", not another flesh body.
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Not my God Jesus Christ...
Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
KJV
He and The Father each have always had the image likeness of man, since that is the outward likeness He said He created aadam with (Genesis 1:26-27).
Do you believe the Genesis 1:26-27 Scripture as written?
And rightly so you understand that, because of staying in the actual written Scriptures. But others here are not doing that, for whatever reason.
So you hold to Modualism, as One God appearing at different times, but always still same person?
Jesus did!
So you hold to that then?
No, I believe that before he became Jesus in the Incarnation, he eternally preexisted as the word of the father, was God Himself, but not yet Jesus, as not yet also a man!
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