the Germans certainly had concentration camps originally for who they saw as enemies of the state. Communists Jehovah witnesses, insurgents even out spoken Christians to some degree the Jews and prisoners of war came later. Many became work camps and labour for the war production. Naturally there were some murders as with any war . But was it deliberate and planned murder. The question of Germany invading Russia and whether they had a choice is still hotly debated. As to wanting war with the other allies. No. It was the allies that declared war on Germany. Germany never wanted war with the UK nor France. Even after the fall of France. Extremely generous peace terms were offered . France would go back to being France and the Uk would not be threatened. Actually the war could have been finished in 1940. At least in the European theatre
The REAL Goal of Hitler
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It pays to evaluate all things. Tragically in war time the first casualty of war is truth. As to the Holocaust there were many Holocausts including the total torching and destruction of entire cities
Bob perhaps I have already said too much. A bearer of truth has few friends. But one thing is for certain . No Hitler . No Israel. For Israel to become a state they needed Jewish population of Europe to even think about defending such a enterprise. The Uk sort of reneged on the Balfour declaration from the 1st world war
OK, Well, if Hitler did not want to kill the Jews, but to send them out of Europe, he would have made transports available to send them to Palestine (Israel) not to concentration and death camps.
How would Israel grow in population if Hitler would not send the Jews to that land? Surely one can see that. Had he had true love towards the Jewish people, he would have made certain that the Jewish people had the opportunity to say either "Yes" or "No" in their decision to either stay in Europe or leave to go to Israel, not by force.
While many Jews had good homes and businesses in Germany and in other parts of Europe, and they might have decided to stay. Such was the case of the Jews in Babylon, went Nehemiah invited the Jews to go back to Israel and rebuild the city, many stayed in Babylon, while a remnant went back.
Such would have been the decision of the Jews of Europe, those that had professions would have stayed behind. Those that were poor and did not have stable lives or jobs, what could they lose? they could have a fresh start, and if Hitler helped them, great!.
But such was NOT the case. Hitler was a madman driven by the power of Satan to destroy Am Elohim, (The People of God) He never had the good of the Jews in mind. He used them as slave laborers, medical experiment guinea pigs, and just to destroy an "inferior race" as he called them. Actually, there is only ONE RACE and that is the HUMAN RACE.
The philosophy towards the Jewish people was the following;
During the Spanish Inquisition: "If you want to live among us, you must convert (to Catholicism)
Reina Isabela and King Fernando: "You can no longer live among us"
Hitler: "You can no longer live, case closed!"
How would Israel grow in population if Hitler would not send the Jews to that land? Surely one can see that. Had he had true love towards the Jewish people, he would have made certain that the Jewish people had the opportunity to say either "Yes" or "No" in their decision to either stay in Europe or leave to go to Israel, not by force.
While many Jews had good homes and businesses in Germany and in other parts of Europe, and they might have decided to stay. Such was the case of the Jews in Babylon, went Nehemiah invited the Jews to go back to Israel and rebuild the city, many stayed in Babylon, while a remnant went back.
Such would have been the decision of the Jews of Europe, those that had professions would have stayed behind. Those that were poor and did not have stable lives or jobs, what could they lose? they could have a fresh start, and if Hitler helped them, great!.
But such was NOT the case. Hitler was a madman driven by the power of Satan to destroy Am Elohim, (The People of God) He never had the good of the Jews in mind. He used them as slave laborers, medical experiment guinea pigs, and just to destroy an "inferior race" as he called them. Actually, there is only ONE RACE and that is the HUMAN RACE.
The philosophy towards the Jewish people was the following;
During the Spanish Inquisition: "If you want to live among us, you must convert (to Catholicism)
Reina Isabela and King Fernando: "You can no longer live among us"
Hitler: "You can no longer live, case closed!"
As an Israelite, I can certainly align with this. Thanks for interjecting.
This also shows to us the have heavy, heavy price for their continued rejection of Mashiach.
MM
Agreed! IF the world at large had in real idea of what Hitler actually did, they would vomit. They do not know and in reality do not want to know.
A survey in 2014 showed that only 50% of the world's population had heard of the Holocaust. Schockingly, only 33 percent of survey takers said that they believed it had been “accurately described by history.”
Real factual histroy says that General George Patton was so moved by those in the town of Buchenwald where the 3rd Army found the concentration camp there, that he forced the population to walk through he camp BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE NAZI'S WERE DOING.
Pattons argument to them was......"How in the world did you not know with the stench of death everywhere"????
The sight was so ghastly that the Mayor and his wife hanged themselves immediately after returning to their home.
Patton then ordered the entire population of the town of Ohrdruf to be marched through the camp. The sight of the camp appeared as equally new and repulsive to the civilians living just down the road from the camp as it had to the American troops.
Patton continued the practice of marching the local civilian population through most camps liberated, and there were apparently more suicides among the local politicians who were forced to confront what had occurred under their noses.
We didn't know....we did not want to know!!! = Apathy!!!!
Yes sir........there is always a payday someday.
Ben you do reply that if Hitler did not want to kill the Jewish ones he would have allowed transports to ship them to Palestine instead of concentration camps. That’s exactly what he did under the transfer agreement from 1933-1939. Over 60 thousand Jewish ones were settled in Palestine along with 100 million dollars in goods valued at close to 2 billion dollars in today’s evaluation. That was a feat within itself considering that Palestine was under British mandate. The reason the Germans could no longer comply with your question of continuing to transport them to Palestine is because in 1939 Great Britain and France had declared war on Germany I think they called it WW2 : ) the only place any German transports would been going at that time would have been straight down to the oceans depths compliments of the British navy if they dared to continue the exodus. But all was not lost. If a peace would have been brokered in 1940. Hitler had a alternative in making Madagascar their new home land. Again did he want the Jewish ones out. Yes. But did he want them exterminated . No. As to who was chosen it simply wasn’t a matter of I have nothing to lose. Actually under the transfer agreement Zionist’s wanted educated people for a diversity of professions they also wanted young Jewish people so they could beeed and populate the future state of Israel. The vast multitude came after wars end.
Interesting.......But wrong.
As a student of WW2, may I say here that the "Transfer Agreement" in 1933 was one of the new Nazi government's first missions and is was to restore economic health to the country. WHY?????
Because Hitler had an exaggerated fear of the ability of Jewish boycotts to foil that undertaking. The Nazi's already pressure on the Jews
had caused the Jews of Poland and Germany to boycott German products, and American Jews were doing the same thing.
The Transfer Agreement was a private initiative proposed by Sam Cohen, owner of the Hano tea citrus-export company in Netanya. Cohen negotiated directly with the German Economics Ministry, which agreed to allow Jews considering leaving Germany to deposit money, up to 50,000 Reichsmarks per family, into one of two different accounts in the Reichsbank.
I have no thought to anger you but The statement that the world of Zionism declared war on Germany in 1933 is totally false.
The claim that there was a Jewish war against Nazi Germany is an antisemitic conspiracy theory promoted in Nazi propaganda which asserts that Jews, acting as a single historical actor, started World War II and sought the destruction of Germany. and it must be rejected!!!!
Alleging that war was declared in 1939 by Chaim Weizmann, president of the World Zionist Organization, Nazis used this false notion to justify the persecution of Jews under German control on the grounds that the Holocaust was justified self defense.
Since the end of World War II, the conspiracy theory has been popular among neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers.
I am sure that you are a well meaning and lovely Christian woman. I do not question that at all. What I question is your knowledge of history or at least your opinion of that history.
You said.........
"the Germans certainly had concentration camps originally for who they saw as enemies of the state. Communists Jehovah witnesses, insurgents even out spoken Christians to some degree the Jews and prisoners of war came later.
I guess that you do not know or maybe have forgotten that what distinguishes a concentration camp from a prison (in the modern sense) is that it functions outside of a judicial system. The people in German CONCENTRATION CAMPS were not indicted or convicted of any crime by judicial process.
You said............
"Naturally there were some murders as with any war . But was it deliberate and planned murder."
You seem to be trying to validate the MURDER of 6 MILLION men, women and children because of one factor....they were Jewish.
Of course it was DELIBERATE. One or two or a hundred maybe explained as an accident, but 6 MILLION!!!
You said..........
"The question of Germany invading Russia and whether they had a choice is still hotly debated."
No mamn it is not by anyone I know and I am a lot older that YOU. Hitler made the plans, and made the choice to invade Russia because
when he came to power in 1933, his combined traditional nationalist obsessions with his own ruthless Darwinian philosophy and vitriolic hatred for the Slavic and Jewish peoples, whom he deemed to be backward and inferior had to be finalized.
You said...........
" As to wanting war with the other allies. No. It was the allies that declared war on Germany. Germany never wanted war with the UK nor France. "
That is also ambiguous at best, BUT that is always the way it is with "revisionist" theology.
The Allied Forces of Great Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand responded to Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland by declaring war. Two days before war was declared, German forces had bombed Polish cities and towns, killing and injuring thousands. After the Germans failed to meet a deadline set by The Allies to retreat from Poland, British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain announced on radio: "I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received and consequently this country is at war with Germany." This marked the beginning of World War II.
The real truth is that Hitler did not believe that Britian and FRance would go to war!
It was then Nazi Germany who declared War on the USA AFTER Japan had attacked Perl Harbour.
As for Hitler making peaceful offers to the Allies.
Let see if I understand what you are saying. Hitler/Germany broke the treaty of Versailles.
Hitler then promised he would not invade Czechoslovakia......but lied and did it anyway.
Hitler then promised he would not invade Poland.......................but he lied and did it anyway.
Hitler then promised he would not invade Russia........................but he lied and did it anyway.
So why in the world would Churchill believe him and sign any kind of peace agreement?????
I think my dear that you need to read and study REAL history and stay away from "revisionist" propaganda.
The the zoinist agreement with the nazi party was a official agreement and a contract, not only done independently nor done singularly by one individual. The transfer agreement of 1933 or Halvaria agreement if you like was fully endorsed by the Zionist movement . This suited Zionists purposes just fine. You need to read read Jewish author Edwin blacks book on the subject. As to Chaim Weizmann and the power of world Jewry being used by the nazis as a false narrative. Major I would have to disagree with you. World Jewry is very powerful.How else would they have survived for almost 2000 years without a standing army if they did not have financial and political power to withstand . You do not anger me. All things should be a search for truth. Read all about in the papers of 1933. I will reply to your other post later. There be much to read
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The "Daily Express" was a well know APEASSMENT paper. The ruralist and fascist author Henry Williamson wrote for the paper on many occasions for half a century, practically the whole of his career so I for one would think twice about using it as Your source.
I am very glad you were not angry as that was not my goal.
You said..........
"World Jewry is very powerful.How else would they have survived for almost 2000 years without a standing army if they did not have financial and political power to withstand ."
My dear, there is a very good answer to that............The Jews are God's chosen people!
After 2,000 years, the Jews, at last, returned in 1948 to the homeland God gave them, though it’s now reduced to a mere sliver of their original land.
Almost 100% of Bible prophecy relates to the land and people of Israel, the focal point of headlines worldwide. All eyes focus on the little nation—and well they should, for Israel is the land and people of destiny.
As the Jew goes, so goes the world. Israel is God’s yardstick, His outline, program, and prophecy for all other nations. Israel is:
- the world’s geographic center. It is a land bridge between three continents (Asia, Africa, and Europe) and a military and economic crossroads.
- the spiritual center. Most of the Bible was written in Israel by Jews. Jesus was born, crucified, resurrected, and ascended to Heaven from the land of Israel. When He returns, He’s coming back to the Mount of Olives outside Jerusalem.
- the prophetic center. You’ll never understand Bible prophecy or what God is doing in the world, apart from understanding what He’s doing in Israel.
- the storm center. Clouds of Armageddon are gathering.
- the peace center. One day Israel will be the center for peace. Without peace in Jerusalem, there will never be peace in our world.
- The glory center. The law will go forth from Zion. Jesus will reign on this Earth from Jerusalem.
Source: https://www.lwf.org/articles/is-god-through-with-the-jews
My father served under Patton in the 45th Division and was among the first Americans to enter the Dachau concentration camp. He hated Germans for the rest of his life. His pictures proved there was no historical exaggeration about the Holocaust.
Interesting! Very! My father was injured in the push into Germany with the 3rd Army and was 100% disabled.
After having been to Dachau and Buchenwald, seeing 1st hand the ovens and pictures, I simply do not have any patience with holocaust deniers or sympathizers. The worst picture in the whole place is one of a room, looks to be the size of a large living room, full of children's shoes.
Major your sure I’m a well meaning lovely Christian lady. Me really sweet. Until of course you step on my paws Then you may discover a tigress : ). Yes me know what a concentration be. You had the British concentration camps in the boar war where 48000 boars and African people died. You had the concentration for anyone of Japanese ancestry who were packed off to concentration camps even if they were American citizens at least with the Americans they looked after their camps rather well. But the point being is that political thought doesn’t discriminate between nations when it comes to concentration camps. The coming war with Russia was a forgone conclusion. Yes . Actually Marxist ideology was supposed to triumph over all of Europe after the conclusion of the First World War. Though it wasn't far off the mark with Germany nearly succumbing to that. And it was a great set back for the workers of the world that were supposed to unite. It never happened. Come the 2nd world war. Stalin’s mind set was to see Germany and Europe exhaust themselves in a protracted drawn out war than strike. They didn’t add into the equation a new strategy called blitzkrieg which had France and the British forces subdued within a month. Hitlers promise in his treaty with Russia was about as honest as Stalin’s both were playing for time. Hitler had pretty well evaluated his final conclusions of war with Russia after Molotovs visit and demands to Germany in late 1940. You mention the Versailles treaty of 1919. The most unjust treaty that demanded that Germany was to pay the entirety of compensation along with having chunks of territory stolen from it . It was supposed be a armistice not unconditional surrender. Every nation should have been made to pay for part of that compensation a much easier burden for all when considering that the 1st world war came from out of a domino effect. Hitler had every right to null and void the treaty of Versailles when he came to power all the Versailles did was sow the seeds of a future war. You could say Hitler was born at Versailles. Major you than go on to state about Hitlers broken promise to Czechoslovakia. I would disagree after the Munich agreement Czechoslovakia sort of fall apart with many states like Slovakia and Ruthenia declaring independence you also had Poland and Hungry helping themselves to slices of Czechoslovakia too. Germany did not invade Czechoslovakia President Hacha invited them and he came to Germany and willingly signed over what was left of Czechoslovakia to Germany as their protectorate. If anything it was just a reunification of what belonged and what was considered part of Germany and part of the Austr-Hungarian empire before the treaty of Versailles. No promises broken there. And than you come to another promise that you claim Hitler broke with Poland. Germany certainly wanted some issues sorted out with Poland such as Danzig and the polish corridor which seperated East Prussia from the rest of Germany those problems were well underway with being sorted that would have seen Germany United and Poland with free access with its trade routes to Danzig. Tragically Great Britain intervened promising Poland a UNCONDITIONAL UNILATERAL GUARANTEE of Polands independence. Thus meaning that the British empire would come to Poland’s aid in time of war ( be that the aggressor or the non aggressor ) just so we are clear on that. Foreign Minister Jozef Beck and the polish government foolishly took up Great Britain’s offer and treated any continuing talks with Germany with contempt even mobilising their army which Germany ignored for awhile than you had continued boarder skirmishes from the Poles into Germany territories than than you had the persecution of the minority of the 1 million German population that lived in Poland at the time . Some 80 thousand that managed to flee into Germany with their lives others were marched further into Poland to a unknown fete. Once the property theft and massacres of the German people in Poland was fully established Hitler would tolerate no more of his people being slaughtered. Well Mr Eden got his war. Poland was merely the useful powder keg they used to eventually destroy Germany. Did Britain come to Poland’s aid at wars end. No they allowed Poland to wallow under 45 yrs of Russian communist oppression. Therein lies the reality of England’s promise to Poland. Poland would have been better served coming to a understanding with Germany and fighting the Communist menace together. Their real enemy. And finally you mention Germany’s declaration of war upon America. Japan were part of the Axis alliance were they not. It was expected . What am I missing? Not that your President Roosevelt didn’t know fully well that the Japanese imperial navy wasn’t on its way to attack Pearl harbour thanks to your oil embargo ultimatum. And not that your nation wasn’t already supplying England and Russia with vast war materials with lend lease. Anyway your America finally got their back door entrance into the 2nd world war. As to Churchill he was never into peace but very good at destroying others including his own. Major you think I need to read real history but just not revisionist books. I try and evaluate truth honestly from many publications I look at. Be they of many sides of history and view points . How about you ?
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What your father witnessed was the shocking reality of a nation that had ceased to function at wars end. Typhus , Typhoid starvation and having lack of anything were the main killers at wars end . Anything that poked its head out of the burrow was machine gunned by fighter planes. As to General Pattons view of the Germans his view of the Germans changed from negative to positive over time Probably the reason they had him murdered
If you would like to re-write this using paragraphs so as to not run everything together I will be glad to read it. From what I came see. you are trying to excuse the Nazi concentration camps with British camps. It would be better for all concerned, that if you want to pursue this.....you need to pick ONE subject at a time instead of throwing everything against the wall in hopes that something sticks.
Now it seems to me that you are working real hard to subsidize and support the Nazi's and defame all other countries which fought against Germany and Japan. I have to ask you........WHY?
It is clear that YOU are working to defame the USA by adjusting real history to a point of view that shall I say is more toward the apologetic than the actual.
Example: YOU said "Germany did not invade Poland".
Real history however says that Germany invaded Poland to regain lost territory and ultimately rule their neighbor to the east. The German invasion of Poland was a primer on how Hitler intended to wage war–what would become the “blitzkrieg” strategy.
On September 30, 1938, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, French Premier Edouard Daladier, and British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain signed the Munich Pact, which sealed the fate of Czechoslovakia, virtually handing it over to Germany in the name of peace.
The "Munich Pact" was halied as the stop gap to prevent WW2 and The four powers agreed to the annexation of the Czechoslovak borderland areas named the Sudetenland, where more than 3 million people, mainly ethnic Germans, lived. Hitler announced it was his last territorial claim in Europe.
Then On March 15, 1939, Nazi Germany invaded and occupied the Czech provinces of Bohemia and Moravia in the rump Czecho-Slovak state, in flagrant violation of the Munich Pact. You see, when a BULLY is not punched in the mouth in the beginning, he will always eat your lunch every day of your life.
You said..........
"Major your sure I’m a well meaning lovely Christian lady. Me really sweet. Until of course you step on my paws Then you may discover a tigress".
Yes. I am a "Southern born, Christian, right wing terrorist and that demands I treat you and all people with respect, honor and politeness.
This is what I mean when I say that you are rather skeptical and actually erroneousness in what you have read.
Real history records that On December 9, 1945, Patton was returning from a pheasant hunt with his chief of staff, Major General Hobart “Hap” Gay. Sergeant Mims, his regular driver, was in the hospital, and a substitute was at the wheel. They were traveling at about thirty-five miles per hour when an army truck turned from a side road into their path. In the glancing collision, Patton was thrown against the roof and fell forward into the glass partition behind the driver’s seat. His neck was broken and he was Paralyzed from the neck down.
He then died on December 21st when a blood clot went to his heart.
Source is from REAL HISTORY ......https://www.historyonthenet.com/how-did-patton-die
You said............
"Not that your President Roosevelt didn’t know fully well that the Japanese imperial navy wasn’t on its way to attack Pearl harbour ".
In the nicest way I can possibly say this.......You are embarrassing yourself!!!!
IMHO, if I were YOU i would stop posting this stuff now instead of later. But that is just my opinion.
You are showing all of us that you are consumed by Conspiracy theories, half-truths.
It is clear to me that you are trying to get some kind of attention as you present thoughts and opinions coming from conspiracy blogs alongside real news and information on social networks — but that's nothing new. It is one of the curses of thenew social media that we can say what we think with an attempt to alter real historical facts for a personal agenda.
The official investigations into the Japanese attack started in the 1940s, and even now, each time new documents become declassified, a headline pops up asking whether Roosevelt allowed it. Think about that for just moment.
A dearly beloved president, re-elected at that time the 3rd time, would jeopardize his standing, his position and loyalty to the USA by allowing the attack to take place and killing 2800 Americans. The idea boggels my mind for that thought to be known.
YES, Roosevelt had been tightening the screws on Tokyo to hinder the Japanese conquest of China, "instituting a full embargo on exports to Japan, freezing Japanese assets in U.S. banks and sending supplies into China along the Burma Road," - according to the state department in 1945.
Source: https://www.npr.org/2016/12/06/5044...-the-japanese-were-going-to-bomb-pearl-harbor
These kinds of bad assumptions and poor intelligence start wars, an understanding that seems so obvious today even as the conspiracy theories outlive the eyewitnesses to the battle.
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