Oh then again it's their responsibility to choose not to drink if they have a preposition to it? It is still a choice isn't it? To nuture it and cultivate that behavior?
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The American Medical Association (AMA) classified alcoholism as a disease in 1956. (1) Over the following decades, alcoholism has been increasingly considered and treated as a chronic disease by most health and addiction experts.
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Strange isn't it?
160634
Author(s)
J A Schaler
Date Published
1994
Length
11 pages
Annotation
Alcoholism and other types of addictions are not diseases, but rather behaviors in which people choose to engage.
When Was Alcoholism Recognized as a Disease? | American Medical Association
he concept of alcoholism is complex and difficult to understand, even if it’s something you’re living with or a family member suffers from. There are ... Read more
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Alcoholism Is Not a Disease (From Alcoholism, P 34-44, 1994, Carol Wekesser, ed. -- See NCJ-160630)
NCJ Number160634
Author(s)
J A Schaler
Date Published
1994
Length
11 pages
Annotation
Alcoholism and other types of addictions are not diseases, but rather behaviors in which people choose to engage.
Very good topic! I agree with Via dolarossa - definitely be an excuse to indulge in the sinful behaviors without having any responsibility to it.
No, we do not inherit the sins of our fathers. This belief stems from a misunderstanding of the Bible verse, Ezekiel 18:20, which states,....
“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.
This verse only speaks to inherited guilt, and the Bible is clear that while we can be influenced by our ancestors, we are all ultimately responsible for our own choices. We all have the FREEDOM TO CHOOSE and We are not punished for the sins of our parents, but instead must make our own decisions to either accept or reject sin.
No so brother. We inherit our fathers SIN NATURE!
All sin has "consequences" and those consequences can effect the son and the family.Didn't it say that the sins of the fathers would be carried down to the children (3rd 4th generation) in the OT?
But that God would be merciful to a 3rd 4th generations?
Exodus 20:5 [KJV]
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 34:7 [KJV]
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation
just wondering
For example, a man who CHOOSES to have an adulteress affair and fathers a child will have that consequence with his family his whole life.
Freedom to Choose always results in consequences but we have to be careful to distinguish between "guilt" and punishment.
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There IS a lot in interest in this topic! May I let you all know that this is exactly why God had Paul to write the book of Romans!!!!!
Right now I am in chapter 5 of the Book of Romans on this site and I would invite all of you to join and participate and see what God has already told us about this subject!
Paul focuses on doctrine, that is, on the pillars of truth that we know about ourselves and about God. The last five chapters focus more on advice and encouragement for how to live out of this knowledge.
AND...........If you already know all about it, then please come and teach the rest of us what you know!
There IS a lot in interest in this topic! May I let you all know that this is exactly why God had Paul to write the book of Romans!!!!!
Right now I am in chapter 5 of the Book of Romans on this site and I would invite all of you to join and participate and see what God has already told us about this subject!
Paul focuses on doctrine, that is, on the pillars of truth that we know about ourselves and about God. The last five chapters focus more on advice and encouragement for how to live out of this knowledge.
AND...........If you already know all about it, then please come and teach the rest of us what you know!
"INDULGENCES" was actually one of the reasons for Martin Luter to begin the Reformation!
It was In 1517, when Matin Luther nailed 95 theses to Wittenberg’s Castle Church door, attacking indulgences, a Catholic practice that, according to church teachings, can reduce or eliminate punishment for sin. Of course, there is NO Bible Scriptures for this at all.
Starting in the 11th century, the church offered indulgences to those who joined the Crusades and later sold certificates of indulgences to raise funds, giving rise to the abusive marketing tactics criticized by Luther.
In other words, The Catholic church SOLD a piece of paper to those who wanted to practice sin! YES..........That is exactly how the SIN NATURE corrupts the mind of man!
Thank you Robert. You are always so nice and civil and complimentary!
This subject like most others is a simple misunderstanding. If we just sit for a moment and understand that if we inherited our fathers sin.....Then the Lord Jesus Christ would not be our PERSONAL SAVIOUR!
We do not pay for our parents sin, Jesus pays for our SIN when we as an individual ask Him to forgive us of OUR SIN!
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. (James 1:13–15)
this has ben addressed if you would take the ignore off you would see
How do sin nature and sin differ? If we say sin nature is a noun and sin is a verb then to sin means to act upon one's nature and how does one not act according to one's nature? A dog will act according to its nature, as will a fox or a squirrel. Man, likewise, will act according to his nature, which is sin nature. This is why we can't be saved by our actions since our actions, even when benevolent, carry the underlying sin. What am I missing here?
” A “sinful nature” and an act of “sin” have different meanings.
To sin is to actually commit some type of sinful act, while to be born with a “sinful nature” is to have a trait that makes you susceptible to becoming a sinner.
Yes.....the nature of a dog is to bark. The nature of a bird is to fly. The nature of a rattlesnake is to bite. Really, what that means is, you do not have to reach a rattlesnake to bite or a dog to bark. They do those things because is is natural for them to do so.
Same thing with man. Man sins because ma is a sinner.
Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. (James 1:13–15)....
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You may go ahead and say it....temptation.......is by Satan.
Further, I believe God may allow temptation if it fits His over all plan. Study Job...."a perfect servant".
God does not temp us, however God allows Satan to tempt us so we will seek more of God. God uses Satan to accomplish his will, and God’s will is always to bring himself more glory through his people loving, pursuing, and seeking him more.
I agree, but since we have a sinful nature how do we avoid sin? That's like saying a dog has a "barking nature". How would a dog avoid barking? Obviously he can't. It seems we can't not sin since sinning is fundamental to who we are. Ugh, this is going to a dark place fast.
You can not avoid sin! It is not really a dark place brother.........it is the reality of life and it must be dealt with.
May I say to you, and thanks for asking such a great and simple question.......... We as Christian's are not people who have ascribed to a particular set of religious beliefs or practices, joined a church, prayed a prayer, or participated in certain sacraments or rituals. A Christian is a person who has responded to the conviction of the Holy Spirit by putting his or her whole faith in the finished work of Christ for salvation and we are not perfect. WE ARE SAVED SINNERS WHO STILL SIN!!!!!
This is exactly why I am doing the verse by verse Bible study in Romans here on the site!
Because we still live in the flesh, and the flesh is prone to want what it wants because that sin nature is in us .
Paul admits the battle between flesh and spirit in his own life in Romans 7.........
“So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me.”
Isn't that YOU. I know that it is ME! Each one of us battle with temptation and the battle is won or lost based upon how fully we are surrendered to the control of the Holy Spirit.
When we are totally surrendered to Christ we will and should be able to walk away from temptation. Which begs the question........
Can a born again believer LIVE in known sin????
Known sin is things like, continuing an adulteress affair. Embezzling money from your employer. Telling lies all the time.
Watching pornography. ...etc. That is LIVING in sin. And yes.....IMHO living with someone without being married to them is KNOWN sin.
The answer is NO!