There is direct evidence for Gen 1, not for the big bang and human evolution

The big bang and human evolution theories are not just unbelief in Gen 1, but are sometimes used as ideological assaults on Gen 1, without scientific evidence.

2 Timothy{6:20} O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane [and] vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.

Neither of them are proven science, but are only theories without direct evidence. If they are ever taught as fact, and not as speculative theory alone, then they are socially engineered propaganda.

The creation of stars:
In Gen 1, God creates the universe of stars all at once. He does not begin the universe from a concentration of hot gas, without stars already formed. In the one day, that He created the stars, He created them already shining in multitude. The direct evidence for this is in fact, the expansive universe of stars. There has never been any record nor direct evidence of the universe ever being only gas, from which the stars would form in time. So long as there has been this universe, the only evidence that it has been an expansive universe of shining stars. Not a ball of hot gas without stars, energetically waiting to explode.

The big bang is only a recent modern theory, that is only postulated from the discovery by Hubble, that the universe is in fact expanding. The sensible logic is that since the universe is expanding, then it must have been contracted smaller than today. However, to then say it must have been contracted to space, is not logically necessary. Especially to have been without any stars formed at all. There is no record nor direct evidence of such place without the universal stars shining. And, Hubble himself did not theorize any big bang.

And so, there is direct evidence of an expansive universe of stars created all at once. Because the universe of stars has never been shown to be without stars at any time. There is no direct evidence of any time or place, where there wasn't a universe of stars at all, but only a hot ball of gas. Just because we know scientifically that new stars are born from such hot gas, does not mean that all stars began from hot gas, especially not from one place in the universe with not stars at all.

The creation of man:
In Gen 1, man and woman is created in the image of God, distinctly different from all other creatures on the earth. And just like the universe of stars, the direct evidence is people being distinctly different from all animals on the earth. Our bodies may be distantly similar to some animals, but our hearts and minds are irreconcilably separate from all brute beasts of the field.

Men and woman can think, imagine, plan, and most importantly choose to believe or not believe. Animals can't. Intelligently, there is no place of common comparison between people and animals. The fact that we are separate by soul and spirit from all other creatures on earth, proves we are created distinctly different as in Gen 1. However, we can also logically conclude, that since we can believe or not believe, we are therefore created in the image of the God of faith. Natural animals are created by the same God, but not in His image, because they have no faith to live by, but only natural instinct.

And once again like the big bang, human evolutionary theory has no direct evidence of any human-primate skeletal remains. There is no skeleton found of a primate that is also today's human, nor of a human today that is also primate. The only remains are of primates, that are distantly shaped like human beings, but they are still only primates. Scientific fact is not based upon 'looking like' something. Appearances can be deceiving. And when facts are sought to confirm a desired pre-conclusion, the facts become very deceptive indeed.

And the preconclusion is proven by theoretic presumptions of the primate remains, that resemble some human traits: The presumption is that they evolutionized to become human beings. Why not simply conclude they became extinct primates, since they don't exist anymore? In addition to the big bang latching onto an expanding universe, human evolution also attaches itself to proven biological evolution within a single species.

If the big band or human evolution is taught as proven science, then it is a lie, and is only for social engineering. And we can see the deceitful manner of the propaganda, when the pseudo-scientist argues them as an expanding universe and geological evolution. They correctly teach the cosmological expansion and evolutionary science, but then insert the unproven big bang and human evolution into them. They talk about the big bang and human evolution, as though they were only teaching an expanding universe and biological evolution. We can be logical proponents of an expanding universe and evolution, without being ideological believers in the big bang and human evolution.

Conclusion: Gen 1 account of God creating the universe of stars, and men and women in His own image, have daily direct evidence, that has never been proven untrue as we are today.

The big bang and human evolutionary theories have no direct evidence nor record of ever existing, and only ideologically piggy-back other proven scientific fact.

To believe in Gen 1 creation is not only possible, but is logically rational based on continued direct evidence. However, believing in the big bang and human evolution is only possible by ideological means, not by proven science. We can believe Gen 1 with eyes wide open to daily existence. But, only by blind faith alone, can ideologues declare the big bang and human evolution are true. And an even worse, is the dark logic that declares Gen 1 can't be true...

Jhn 1:9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Jhn 1:5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Mat 6:23But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
 
The big bang and human evolutionary theories have no direct evidence nor record of ever existing, and only ideologically piggy-back other proven scientific fact.
This what a lot of people miss, when it come to science. Theories aren't proofs of anything it's all speculation.
And a big bang is an explosion... when has there been an explosion that resulted with an organized and brilliant outcome?

And people who believe in science often claim that religious people are brainwashed and gullible but those same people believe and explosion happened and earth was formed. And that apes evolved into humans...
 
This what a lot of people miss, when it come to science. Theories aren't proofs of anything it's all speculation.
And a big bang is an explosion... when has there been an explosion that resulted with an organized and brilliant outcome?

And people who believe in science often claim that religious people are brainwashed and gullible but those same people believe and explosion happened and earth was formed. And that apes evolved into humans...
That's the main point. I learned many things when showing Bible inerrancy to open nonbelievers. I found that it's believers in the Bible that have rational reason to do so, and it's only irrational blind disbelief that refuses to.

In any case, I've learned that God does not speculate, but only declares. And what He declares is simple common sense with daily direct evidence before our eyes.

The greatest proof that God is, and is the Creator of all things, and of men and women in His image, is not just the majesty of all things, but is simply men and women on earth.

There is no scientific evidence of another way to create a creature, that can choose to believe or not believe something. The only rational explanation is the God of faith creating us in His image.

Man can make AI, but never make AI with faith.
 
Further proof that human evolution is only ideology, and not factual science: They call human beings animals. But do they call animals human beings? No. (Unless you're PETA. They are actually the only honest believers in human evolution, by practicing the degeneracy they teach)
 
I am going to play devils advocate here. First an account of the term "Big Bang", this moniker was given by an atheist physicist because it did not go with his theory that the universe was eternal and in a steady state. There was no bang, but rather a flash of energy from which came all space, time, matter and energy. God did not create the sun, moon and stars until day 4, so then what is the light that came when He said let there be light and called it day? If we trace the universe back to a point where there was nothing, then God created from nothing....everything. Notice too that the earth was void and without form and existed before God said "let there be light".
 
I am going to play devils advocate here. First an account of the term "Big Bang", this moniker was given by an atheist physicist because it did not go with his theory that the universe was eternal and in a steady state.
I didn't know this. All I know is that Hubble proved the universe is expanding, and that some astronomers then started trying to prove it the reverse motion would lead to one place of hot gas, before stars were ever formed.

By proving the universe is expanding, it proves the universe was less expansive, but it does not mean it was formed from hot gas alone.

There was no bang, but rather a flash of energy from which came all space, time, matter and energy.
What do you mean? When God said, "Let there be light."?

God did not create the sun, moon and stars until day 4, so then what is the light that came when He said let there be light and called it day?
Some have tried to show this is a contradiction in Gen 1. First there was light, and then God again created light by stars and sun and moon. How could God create light twice?

The answer is that Scripture doesn't say He created light twice, but only once with the stars and sun and moon. What He did in the universe first, was command light to shine. We see in that He was not speaking of created light by a luminary, but was His own true light to shine within His own creation.

2Co 4:6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Jhn 1:2The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men…That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

God was the first person to inhabit His own creation, when He commanded the Word to dwell therein. The Word would also be made flesh and dwell among men.




If we trace the universe back to a point where there was nothing, then God created from nothing....everything.
True. That is in the beginning before the foundation of the world in Gen 1:1.

Notice too that the earth was void and without form and existed before God said "let there be light".
This is also true. The heaven and earth in Gen 1:1, were flooded with water in verse 2.

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The rebuke is to those who believe the heaven and earth is the same since that of Gen 1:1. That heaven and earth that then was, was flooded with water and perished without form and void in Gen 1:2. The heaven and earth that are now, is since Gen 1:3.

The teaching is that God flooded the heaven and earth created in Gen 1:1, when Lucifer first rebelled with His angels that sinned.

In any case, on the 4th day the universe of stars that are now, have been the universe of stars since day 4. And the waters flooding the old heaven and earth that then was, was not hot gas 'waiting' to form into stars over time.

The Lord first divided with Himself, the waters between heaven and earth, until days later He then created all the stars, the sun, and the moon at once, as in a multitude of twinklings of His eye.

Maybe that's where the Atlas myth has some resemblance to the truth of Gen 1.
 
I am going to play devils advocate here. First an account of the term "Big Bang", this moniker was given by an atheist physicist because it did not go with his theory that the universe was eternal and in a steady state. There was no bang, but rather a flash of energy from which came all space, time, matter and energy. God did not create the sun, moon and stars until day 4, so then what is the light that came when He said let there be light and called it day? If we trace the universe back to a point where there was nothing, then God created from nothing....everything. Notice too that the earth was void and without form and existed before God said "let there be light".
Ya know, one of the most argued points among all people, is how old the earth is. Young Earthers say 6 to 10 thousand years.

All scientific data say it is billions of years old.

The fact is that the Bible is silent. There is no Bible evidence of the age of the earth and then the 2nd discussed point is.....did Adam and Eve live with dinosaurs and were they on the Ark? Again, there is NO Bible evidence of dinosaurs.

And before someone says that Leviathans and Behemoths were dinosaurs....NO there were not.

Both of these questions creates a rift with deeply held belief systems. Parents, notorious for giving children vague or incomplete answers, often leave children with lingering questions. Such questions cast doubt on core teachings.

Religious dogma contributes to the extreme suppression of thought. People have been ridiculed, imprisoned, and executed for daring to challenge the status quo. The fight to defend a belief system at all costs yields various extremist views that often conflict with reason and observable data.

I wonder what this post here will bring???
 
What do you mean? When God said, "Let there be light."?
Genesis 1:3-5
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

How can there be a 24 hr day when the sun, moon and stars were not created until day 4?

Job 9:8

He alone stretches out the heavens _ and treads on the waves of the sea.
Psalm 104:2

The LORD wraps himself in light as with a garment; _ he stretches out the heavens like a tent

Bible shows the expansion of the universe.

You said..."By proving the universe is expanding, it proves the universe was less expansive, but it does not mean it was formed from hot gas alone."

The Big Bang did not come from hot gas, God created from nothing... before the Big Bang there was nothing. It actually proves the word of God.

The debate over the age of the earth began long before evolution and the Big Bang. The Bible tells us that God created all things it does not go into the details of how He did it. There is no timeline between verse 1 and verse 2 and 3. Just because one may believe in an old earth does not automatically mean they believe in evolution. This is a debate that only the creator can answer when we are called home to Him.
 
I didn't know this. All I know is that Hubble proved the universe is expanding, and that some astronomers then started trying to prove it the reverse motion would lead to one place of hot gas, before stars were ever formed.

By proving the universe is expanding, it proves the universe was less expansive, but it does not mean it was formed from hot gas alone.


What do you mean? When God said, "Let there be light."?


Some have tried to show this is a contradiction in Gen 1. First there was light, and then God again created light by stars and sun and moon. How could God create light twice?

The answer is that Scripture doesn't say He created light twice, but only once with the stars and sun and moon. What He did in the universe first, was command light to shine. We see in that He was not speaking of created light by a luminary, but was His own true light to shine within His own creation.

2Co 4:6For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Jhn 1:2The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men…That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

God was the first person to inhabit His own creation, when He commanded the Word to dwell therein. The Word would also be made flesh and dwell among men.





True. That is in the beginning before the foundation of the world in Gen 1:1.


This is also true. The heaven and earth in Gen 1:1, were flooded with water in verse 2.

2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

The rebuke is to those who believe the heaven and earth is the same since that of Gen 1:1. That heaven and earth that then was, was flooded with water and perished without form and void in Gen 1:2. The heaven and earth that are now, is since Gen 1:3.

The teaching is that God flooded the heaven and earth created in Gen 1:1, when Lucifer first rebelled with His angels that sinned.

In any case, on the 4th day the universe of stars that are now, have been the universe of stars since day 4. And the waters flooding the old heaven and earth that then was, was not hot gas 'waiting' to form into stars over time.

The Lord first divided with Himself, the waters between heaven and earth, until days later He then created all the stars, the sun, and the moon at once, as in a multitude of twinklings of His eye.

Maybe that's where the Atlas myth has some resemblance to the truth of Gen 1.
Are you espousing the Gap Theory between Genesis 1:1 & 1:2?
 
ow can there be a 24 hr day when the sun, moon and stars were not created until day 4?
Gensis 1: 3
Then God SAID, let there be light and there was light. That's it. If God said it, that's all you need.
Our finite minds are on display, if we think that unless the sun already existed , there couldn't have been light.

And since we're on the subject, the moon is has it's own light. It doesn't get it's light from the sun, as science claims.
 
Then God SAID, let there be light and there was light.
The question I posed in post #6... what is that light? If the sun, moon and stars were not created until day 4, yet GOD called the light day and the dark, night. Godhelpus said that it is the light of God that is in all of us, yet that light is never called day. Can you show evidence that the moon has its' own source of light? Why can't it receive its' light from the sun just as we receive our light from the SON. It comes from Him, yet it is ours to let shine into this dark world.
 
The question I posed in post #6... what is that light? If the sun, moon and stars were not created until day 4, yet GOD called the light day and the dark, night. Godhelpus said that it is the light of God that is in all of us, yet that light is never called day. Can you show evidence that the moon has its' own source of light? Why can't it receive its' light from the sun just as we receive our light from the SON. It comes from Him, yet it is ours to let shine into this dark world.
Genesis 1:16
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
 
Cocoa,
So why is there no light from the "new" moon phase? Even if it only had light from one side that light would be visible around the outer edge. Again I am ok with the lesser light (moon) receiving its' light from the greater light (sun) because I am a lesser light (created being) that receives light from the greater light (creator) and due to my sin nature I have no light of my own, yet the light I receive is mine to shine into a dark and lost world to show the path to salvation through the one from whom I received said light.
 
What is the evidence for this claim? Do you have a scientific, religious or historical reference?
Evidence? Nope!
There is NO evidence that they were not dinosaurs.
There is no evidence that they were dinos..
There is NO Bible evidence that dinos lived with Adam and Eve.

We only know about those two names from Job 40 & 41.

Young Earth believers believe the earth and its creatures, including dinosaurs, were created 6 thousand years ago. This means that the dinos and Adam and Eve and all those who lived between Genesis 1 and Genesis 6 lived along side of dinos.
Genesis tells us God created all land animals on the sixth day of creation. That means Since fossils and skeletons have proved the existence of dinosaurs, they would have been part of this creation event. This supports the Young Earth Creationist view that dinosaurs lived alongside humans about 6,000 years ago.

This stance sharply contrasts with the scientific timeline, which places dinosaurs’ existence millions of years before humans.
 
Cocoa,
So why is there no light from the "new" moon phase? Even if it only had light from one side that light would be visible around the outer edge. Again I am ok with the lesser light (moon) receiving its' light from the greater light (sun) because I am a lesser light (created being) that receives light from the greater light (creator) and due to my sin nature I have no light of my own, yet the light I receive is mine to shine into a dark and lost world to show the path to salvation through the one from whom I received said light.
Okay
 
Gensis 1: 3
Then God SAID, let there be light and there was light. That's it. If God said it, that's all you need.
Our finite minds are on display, if we think that unless the sun already existed , there couldn't have been light.

And since we're on the subject, the moon is has it's own light. It doesn't get it's light from the sun, as science claims.
Not so my dear friend. The moons light is a reflection from the sun!
 
Cocoa,
So why is there no light from the "new" moon phase? Even if it only had light from one side that light would be visible around the outer edge. Again I am ok with the lesser light (moon) receiving its' light from the greater light (sun) because I am a lesser light (created being) that receives light from the greater light (creator) and due to my sin nature I have no light of my own, yet the light I receive is mine to shine into a dark and lost world to show the path to salvation through the one from whom I received said light.
Brother, the moon has NO internal light force. What we see is the reflection from the sun.
 
The question I posed in post #6... what is that light? If the sun, moon and stars were not created until day 4, yet GOD called the light day and the dark, night. Godhelpus said that it is the light of God that is in all of us, yet that light is never called day. Can you show evidence that the moon has its' own source of light? Why can't it receive its' light from the sun just as we receive our light from the SON. It comes from Him, yet it is ours to let shine into this dark world.
Godhelpus said........
" that it is the light of God that is in all of us, yet that light is never called day. "

What?....
 
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