Liberalism Is Destroying The Church!

Major

Major

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Liberal teaching has manifested itself all through the Christian. In fact, Liberalism is the main reason why there are so many Christian denominations. Allow me to list just some of the teachings done by liberal theologian over the years and allow you to decide if you think that those teachings have affect you:

1) The Bible is not “God-breathed” and has errors.
2 Timothy 3:16-17...." “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching.
Isaiah 7:14......"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.".

3) Jesus did not rise again from the grave in bodily form.
Romans 8:11...."If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you."

4) Jesus was just a good moral teacher.
He’s not a great teacher at all. He’s a lunatic or a liar. As C.S. Lewis properly put it, “He did not leave the other option open to us. He did not intend to.”

5) Hell is not real.
Luke 16:22-23......."And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

6) The most important thing for man to do is to “love” his neighbor.
What is the loving thing to do in any situation is not what the Bible says is good but what the liberal theologians decide is good. This denies the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is incapable of doing anything good and loving.

That is SIX and you can probably come up with 50 more. The Word of God speaks of a time when men will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof in 2 Timothy 3:5.

That my dear friends, that is what liberal theology does in that it says that there is some inner goodness in man that does not require a rebirth by the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ. And it speaks against those who would serve idols instead of the one true God (1 Chronicles 16:26)—which liberal Christianity does in that it creates a false god according to someones own liking rather than worshiping God as He is described in the whole of the Bible.
 
Major said:
4) Jesus was just a good moral teacher.
He’s not a great teacher at all. He’s a lunatic or a liar. As C.S. Lewis properly put it, “He did not leave the other option open to us. He did not intend to.”
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C S. Lewis' thesis is "Liar, Lunatic or Lord." It is quite compelling. Imagine a modern day "good, moral teacher" in Saudi Arabia or Iran who teaches contrary to the Koran. That should give an idea of how Jesus was received by the powers that be in his time.
 
Hello Major;

The first on the list is ENOUGH to do away with Prudence for God's Truth and Word. Though I love our country there isn't a whole lot of "pain" in America because we can afford to take advantage of liberalism. Liberalism has infiltrated the Christian Church with Liberal Theology and nominal Christianity.

I often preach (and at CFS) there aren't enough Pastors in the Church, around the USA. Every corner now has a "Christian" Church. But the foundation hasn't been established, instead, people want to "play Church" on most corners. It's the same thing each Sunday, which I feel liberalism plays a part in this.

Members of a ministry in the SF Bay Area approached a potluck we were enjoying at our Church with two other Churches. They asked to speak to me. I said hello and they wanted to meet with me and share their ministry and doctrine. I accepted and in our first lunch meeting I learned more about their taste of Liberal Christian Doctrine. After getting to know them I shared openly about our doctrine which did not include cohabitation, gay ministers marrying / sleeping with each other and other disciplines that are not supported in Scripture. I explained my apologetics. Since that lunch date back in 2024 I followed up with a cordial text but never heard from them, ever again.

Meantime, many "Pastors" have stepped down, or quit because they're overwhelmed with people problems. It's not because the plumbing can't get funded for repairs, the pew chairs are old and need replacing, or my salary can't make ends meet. It's the people that can weary a Pastor.

When the Shepherd gets to this point, they cannot be effective in the disciplined teachings in the Christian Church. So to make it "easier" the Scripture teachings and sermons become watered down, some minor sins are accepted within the Body while an increase in "limitation of effort" by the Believers.

Today's attendance in Churches has decreased in America. I do understand there are other more "convenient" ways to attend a Church service without getting out of bed or chair in one's home. Its very liberating. I know of Pastors who confessed their minimized visitations to these members who cannot physically attend Church.

I confess, this doesn't mean I have the liberty to change my disposition. So, what can I do about it? For starters, in my prayers I lay my grievances to the Lord, instead of carrying them with me. I feel this is the wise start. Second, I need to take the unconditional love God gives me, so I can love those I'm criticising, then get out of God's Way and let them go.

Many of us have the opportunity to do missionary work in other countries, even short term missionaries. We see and get a perspective of pain from Christian men, women and children. Yet they are filled with joy because their faith is grounded despite their suffering. That has ministered to me.

But to carry this grievance in my heart day after day is not spiritually healthy. It's hypocritical. I'm speaking for myself and am reminded by Matthew 7:1-6 to do a self check daily.

All in all, Major, what you're presenting is not easy but I agree, it has to be shared. The last thing a Christian should not do is steer other Christians by embracing liberal theology, thus taking away the Lord's glory at the Cross.

God bless you, brother.

Bob
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Major;

The first on the list is ENOUGH to do away with Prudence for God's Truth and Word. Though I love our country there isn't a whole lot of "pain" in America because we can afford to take advantage of liberalism. Liberalism has infiltrated the Christian Church with Liberal Theology and nominal Christianity.

I often preach (and at CFS) there aren't enough Pastors in the Church, around the USA. Every corner now has a "Christian" Church. But the foundation hasn't been established, instead, people want to "play Church" on most corners. It's the same thing each Sunday, which I feel liberalism plays a part in this.

Members of a ministry in the SF Bay Area approached a potluck we were enjoying at our Church with two other Churches. They asked to speak to me. I said hello and they wanted to meet with me and share their ministry and doctrine. I accepted and in our first lunch meeting I learned more about their taste of Liberal Christian Doctrine. After getting to know them I shared openly about our doctrine which did not include cohabitation, gay ministers marrying / sleeping with each other and other disciplines that are not supported in Scripture. I explained my apologetics. Since that lunch date back in 2024 I followed up with a cordial text but never heard from them, ever again.

Meantime, many "Pastors" have stepped down, or quit because they're overwhelmed with people problems. It's not because the plumbing can't get funded for repairs, the pew chairs are old and need replacing, or my salary can't make ends meet. It's the people that can weary a Pastor.

When the Shepherd gets to this point, they cannot be effective in the disciplined teachings in the Christian Church. So to make it "easier" the Scripture teachings and sermons become watered down, some minor sins are accepted within the Body while an increase in "limitation of effort" by the Believers.

Today's attendance in Churches has decreased in America. I do understand there are other more "convenient" ways to attend a Church service without getting out of bed or chair in one's home. Its very liberating. I know of Pastors who confessed their minimized visitations to these members who cannot physically attend Church.

I confess, this doesn't mean I have the liberty to change my disposition. So, what can I do about it? For starters, in my prayers I lay my grievances to the Lord, instead of carrying them with me. I feel this is the wise start. Second, I need to take the unconditional love God gives me, so I can love those I'm criticising, then get out of God's Way and let them go.

Many of us have the opportunity to do missionary work in other countries, even short term missionaries. We see and get a perspective of pain from Christian men, women and children. Yet they are filled with a joy because their faith is grounded despite their suffering. That has ministered to me.

But to carry this grievance in my heart day after day is not spiritually healthy. It's hypocritical. I'm speaking for myself and am reminded by Matthew 7:1-6 to do a self check daily.

All in all, Major, what you're presenting is not easy but I agree, it has to be shared. The last thing a Christian should not do is steer other Christians by embracing liberal theology, thus taking away the Lord's glory at the Cross.

God bless you, brother.

Bob
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Well my friend.....as you know, I am a southern boy. I travel all through the south. You are correct in that there is a "Christian" church in every town and I am sure that is the case out west as well.

A Barna survey in 2022 notes........
“Our survey demonstrates that large numbers of pastors have abandoned even the most basic and hallowed biblical teachings for ideas that now permeate our culture.”

"Ideas" translates" into Syncretism and or Secularism.

That is liberalism in disguise and it has enormous negative consequences for American Christianity.

You see, because pastors teach what they believe, many churches are becoming centers of syncretism and secular thought.
Perhaps without even realizing it, thousands of pastors have become leaders of a movement away from God's Word which has now allowed homosexual pastors, homosexual churches, women pastors and living together as acceptable and still refer to themselves as "Christian"!
 
Major said:
Liberal teaching has manifested itself all through the Christian. In fact, Liberalism is the main reason why there are so many Christian denominations. Allow me to list just some of the teachings done by liberal theologian over the years and allow you to decide if you think that those teachings have affect you:

1) The Bible is not “God-breathed” and has errors.
2 Timothy 3:16-17...." “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

2) The virgin birth of Christ is a mythological false teaching.
Isaiah 7:14......"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.".

3) Jesus did not rise again from the grave in bodily form.
Romans 8:11...."If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you."

4) Jesus was just a good moral teacher.
He’s not a great teacher at all. He’s a lunatic or a liar. As C.S. Lewis properly put it, “He did not leave the other option open to us. He did not intend to.”

5) Hell is not real.
Luke 16:22-23......."And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

6) The most important thing for man to do is to “love” his neighbor.
What is the loving thing to do in any situation is not what the Bible says is good but what the liberal theologians decide is good. This denies the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is incapable of doing anything good and loving.

That is SIX and you can probably come up with 50 more. The Word of God speaks of a time when men will have a form of godliness, but deny the power thereof in 2 Timothy 3:5.

That my dear friends, that is what liberal theology does in that it says that there is some inner goodness in man that does not require a rebirth by the Holy Spirit through faith in Christ. And it speaks against those who would serve idols instead of the one true God (1 Chronicles 16:26)—which liberal Christianity does in that it creates a false god according to someones own liking rather than worshiping God as He is described in the whole of the Bible.
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The true believers (sheep) are being separated from the liberals (goats). It is the liberal "Church" through the World Council of Churches that will help bring about the one-world religion complete with the persecution of true believers.
 
BibleLover said:
The true believers (sheep) are being separated from the liberals (goats). It is the liberal "Church" through the World Council of Churches that will help bring about the one-world religion complete with the persecution of true believers.
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So..... are implying that the sheep and goat judgment is in the 1st stages of taking place ?
 
I don't blame those who attend a wayward church as much as those who lead one, since many don't read the Bible anyway, but how does one knowing teach as good what the Bible clearly says is not? That's what puzzles me.
 
LearningToLetGo said:
I don't blame those who attend a wayward church as much as those who lead one, since many don't read the Bible anyway, but how does one knowing teach as good what the Bible clearly says is not? That's what puzzles me.
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For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers and they will turn their ears away from the truth and be turned aside to fables. (2 Tim 4:3-4 NKJV)
 
Major said:
This denies the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is incapable of doing anything good and loving
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Do you mind providing clarity on...
Edit: are you for or against this theology?

Thanks.
 
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cocoa said:
Do you mind providing clarity on...
Edit: are you for or against this theology?

Thanks.
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Are you asking about clarity on the Doctrine of Depravity?

If so, then the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen man. It is called different name by different people but No matter which name you use to refer to “total depravity,” the fact remains that when properly understood it is an accurate description of what the Bible does teach on this important subject.

It is the Bible teaching that every part of man—his mind, will, emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being including who we are and what we do.

The Bible teaches us that we sin because we are sinners by nature. Or, as Jesus says in Matt. 7:17-18..........
“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.”

Total depravity does not mean that man is as wicked or sinful as he could be, nor does it mean that man is without a conscience or any sense of right or wrong. Neither does it mean that man does not or cannot do things that seem to be good when viewed from a human perspective or measured against a human standard. It does not even mean that man cannot do things that seem to conform outwardly to the law of God.

What the Bible does teach and what total depravity does recognize is that even the “good” things man does are tainted by sin because they are not done for the glory of God and out of faith in Him and that is seen in Rom. 14:23 and Hebrews 11:6. While man looks upon the outward acts and judges them to be good, God looks upon not only the outward acts but also the inward motives that lie behind them, and because they proceed from a heart that is in rebellion against Him and they are not done for His glory, even these good deeds are like “filthy rags” in His sight. In other words, fallen man’s good deeds are motivated not by a desire to please God but by our own self-interest and are thus corrupted to the point where God declares that there is “no one who does good, no not one!”

Does that answer your question????
 
LearningToLetGo said:
I don't blame those who attend a wayward church as much as those who lead one, since many don't read the Bible anyway, but how does one knowing teach as good what the Bible clearly says is not? That's what puzzles me.
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I understand what you are saying, but isn't each and every person responsible for their own choices and actions? If....when, a person is in a church where a preacher says things that are his opinion and are not Bibles based, how mush does that person have to here before he says.......see ya later, I gotta go!

As Biblelover said in post #9.....what you are describing is a definite sign of the times and the 2nd Coming. IMO....that is what we are seeing every single day.

Is. 29:24..........
"And those who go astray in spirit will come to understanding, and those who murmur will accept instruction.”
 
Major said:
I understand what you are saying, but isn't each and every person responsible for their own choices and actions? If....when, a person is in a church where a preacher says things that are his opinion and are not Bibles based, how mush does that person have to here before he says.......see ya later, I gotta go!
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I ABSOLUTELY agree that it is OUR responsibility and CHOICE to believe what we do. THERE is NO excuse we can give for our beliefs.
It never ceases to amaze me what people REDUCE CHRISTIANITY to.

I am so glad that I learned to TRUST NO ONE. Honestly... I am HAPPY and GRATEFUL to be the SIMPLE little sheep who CHOOSES to focus on the things of the BIBLE that are ABSOLUTE TRUTHS ( which are the ATTRIBUTES of GOD.... the I AM'S.... the BEAUTIFUL and WONDERFUL... and MARVELLOUS descriptions of WHO GOD is.... WOW.

It's NOT about me.... It's not about healing.... it's not about the GIFTS of the HOLY SPIRIT... .it's not about SIGNS and WONDERS.

It's all about WHO GOD is... and how AMAZING that is.

To think that God so loved me.... little me.... little NOBODY me.... that HE has included me in HIS plans for ETERNITY.... I just don't understand WHY anyone would want to believe in FALSE teachings.

I really do NOT mean to lack EMPATHY for those who believe in BAD DOCTRINE... but returning to the first STATEMENT that I quoted.... I AGREE that it is our responsibility and our responsibility ALONE to ENSURE that our TEACHERS are providing us TRUTH.

This opinion was brought to you by........ DA SHEEP. HAHA
 
Major said:
I understand what you are saying, but isn't each and every person responsible for their own choices and actions? If....when, a person is in a church where a preacher says things that are his opinion and are not Bibles based, how mush does that person have to here before he says.......see ya later, I gotta go!
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This assumes people actually know what is in the Bible. That is my point.
 
LearningToLetGo said:
This assumes people actually know what is in the Bible. That is my point.
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I understand. That is a real assumption. If God's people are not the ones to point out false teachers and false doctrines, then who will do it??

IMHO, I think that a born again believer "should" know what is in the Bible? I do not mean every tiddle and nook but the basics of why they believe they are Christians. They should know Who God is, & who Jesus is, & what they are and where they are going.

If a Christian can not explain "why" they believe they are a Christian, then they are not Christians at all.

Matt. 7:22-23......
"On that day (Judgment Day) many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
 
In Awe of Him said:
I ABSOLUTELY agree that it is OUR responsibility and CHOICE to believe what we do. THERE is NO excuse we can give for our beliefs.
It never ceases to amaze me what people REDUCE CHRISTIANITY to.

I am so glad that I learned to TRUST NO ONE. Honestly... I am HAPPY and GRATEFUL to be the SIMPLE little sheep who CHOOSES to focus on the things of the BIBLE that are ABSOLUTE TRUTHS ( which are the ATTRIBUTES of GOD.... the I AM'S.... the BEAUTIFUL and WONDERFUL... and MARVELLOUS descriptions of WHO GOD is.... WOW.

It's NOT about me.... It's not about healing.... it's not about the GIFTS of the HOLY SPIRIT... .it's not about SIGNS and WONDERS.

It's all about WHO GOD is... and how AMAZING that is.

To think that God so loved me.... little me.... little NOBODY me.... that HE has included me in HIS plans for ETERNITY.... I just don't understand WHY anyone would want to believe in FALSE teachings.

I really do NOT mean to lack EMPATHY for those who believe in BAD DOCTRINE... but returning to the first STATEMENT that I quoted.... I AGREE that it is our responsibility and our responsibility ALONE to ENSURE that our TEACHERS are providing us TRUTH.

This opinion was brought to you by........ DA SHEEP. HAHA
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Excellent!
 
Major said:
Are you asking about clarity on the Doctrine of Depravity?

If so, then the Bible teaches about the spiritual condition of fallen man. It is called different name by different people but No matter which name you use to refer to “total depravity,” the fact remains that when properly understood it is an accurate description of what the Bible does teach on this important subject.

It is the Bible teaching that every part of man—his mind, will, emotions and flesh—have been corrupted by sin. In other words, sin affects all areas of our being including who we are and what we do.

The Bible teaches us that we sin because we are sinners by nature. Or, as Jesus says in Matt. 7:17-18..........
“So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.”

Total depravity does not mean that man is as wicked or sinful as he could be, nor does it mean that man is without a conscience or any sense of right or wrong. Neither does it mean that man does not or cannot do things that seem to be good when viewed from a human perspective or measured against a human standard. It does not even mean that man cannot do things that seem to conform outwardly to the law of God.

What the Bible does teach and what total depravity does recognize is that even the “good” things man does are tainted by sin because they are not done for the glory of God and out of faith in Him and that is seen in Rom. 14:23 and Hebrews 11:6. While man looks upon the outward acts and judges them to be good, God looks upon not only the outward acts but also the inward motives that lie behind them, and because they proceed from a heart that is in rebellion against Him and they are not done for His glory, even these good deeds are like “filthy rags” in His sight. In other words, fallen man’s good deeds are motivated not by a desire to please God but by our own self-interest and are thus corrupted to the point where God declares that there is “no one who does good, no not one!”

Does that answer your question????
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Yes, thank you. Very clear.
 
This thought just crossed my mind...

How much of this BAD THEOLOGY problem comes from the fact that many pastors are SELF-PROCLAIMED and have NO real schooling in theology? They claim to be CALLED by GOD to be pastors.... but yet have NO FORMAL education.

A person who CLAIMS to be a pastor should be OBLIGED to provide where they got their BIBLICAL teachings and what DEGREES they have... such as a MASTERS in DIVINITY etc.

A DOCTOR has to have their credentials posted in their office. There needs to be a HIGHER standard set aside for pastors.

Another issue is their ACCOUNTABILITY to the FLOCK... and their humility or lack there of.

There are so many ways we can protect ourselves against BAD TEACHINGS.
 
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