4 Biblical Truths

Yes, sir....the Bible records instances of some believers using the gift of tongues, but it does not teach that speaking in tongues is evidence of salvation.

When I was a young man, that is exactly what we were taught and were told by the AOG when soul winning.
Those who teach that one must speak in tongues to be saved tend to point to a few specific examples in the book of Acts where tongues was a sign of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and thus of salvation.

In Acts 19:4–6, the apostle Paul found some disciples of John the Baptist in Ephesus. These men had accepted John’s message of repentance but did not yet know about the Holy Spirit or speaking in tongues. Paul pointed them to Jesus, and they believed and were baptized in Jesus’ name.
Yes, AOG holds to second act of grace empowering one to be witnesses for Jesus, but sadly many miss the part that many who claim those tongues have bad fruit of sexual infidels and issues with money and coveting riches
 
the empowering comes through the H.S

we have that in every denom minus tongues
The issue though for AOG would be that there is no scripture basis for saying that there is a second act of grace as evidenced by speaking in other tongues, as bible states all of us when saved were baptized into Christ by the same Holy Spirit, and we are never command to seek that Baptism, but seek the infilling
 
The issue though for AOG would be that there is no scripture basis for saying that there is a second act of grace as evidenced by speaking in other tongues, as bible states all of us when saved were baptized into Christ by the same Holy Spirit, and we are never command to seek that Baptism, but seek the infilling
i agree and i have know of the 2nd work of grace teaching ..but its been a while . there good christian folks like rest of us but have a teaching i dont agree with. we have apostolic oneness that is growing ..but its all about baptism in jesus name and the tongues .. but i dont try to change them only the holy spirit can
 
The issue though for AOG would be that there is no scripture basis for saying that there is a second act of grace as evidenced by speaking in other tongues, as bible states all of us when saved were baptized into Christ by the same Holy Spirit, and we are never command to seek that Baptism, but seek the infilling
That is true!.

While the concept of a second blessing is taught in a wide variety of churches, the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible.

According to Pentecostals, the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

“All believers are entitled to and should ardently expect and earnestly seek the promise of the Father, the baptism in the Holy Spirit and fire, according to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ. This was the normal experience of all in the early church.”
They further teach that “this experience is distinct from and subsequent to the experience of the new birth.”
Source: The Assemblies of God website.
 
i agree and i have know of the 2nd work of grace teaching ..but its been a while . there good christian folks like rest of us but have a teaching i dont agree with. we have apostolic oneness that is growing ..but its all about baptism in jesus name and the tongues .. but i dont try to change them only the holy spirit can
I have no issues with those who hold to those beliefs as long as do not look down at those of us who disagree with them, or try to make a church "flow now in the Holy Spirit", but have real issues with those holding to WoF, prosperity, name it claim it etc
 
That is true!.

While the concept of a second blessing is taught in a wide variety of churches, the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible.

According to Pentecostals, the initial evidence of the baptism in the Holy Spirit is speaking in other tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

“All believers are entitled to and should ardently expect and earnestly seek the promise of the Father, the baptism in the Holy Spirit and fire, according to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ. This was the normal experience of all in the early church.”
They further teach that “this experience is distinct from and subsequent to the experience of the new birth.”
Source: The Assemblies of God website.
Main problem is that they view the Book of Acts as a model of how all Christians and churches should be, while I see it as historical book detailing the transition from Old to New Covenant, and to Apostolic leading and to when they passed away
 
Main problem is that they view the Book of Acts as a model of how all Christians and churches should be, while I see it as historical book detailing the transition from Old to New Covenant, and to Apostolic leading and to when they passed away
Their problem is hermeneutical; they view Acts as didactic literature when it's simply history.
 
I have no issues with those who hold to those beliefs as long as do not look down at those of us who disagree with them, or try to make a church "flow now in the Holy Spirit", but have real issues with those holding to WoF, prosperity, name it claim it etc
THEY WILL DISAGREE IN DISCUSSION ..i cant agree with it..i know a ASOG minister young man.. he preaches good...i have been in service with him in a general baptist church you could not tell he was AOG other than mentioning his church he pastored..
 
THEY WILL DISAGREE IN DISCUSSION ..i cant agree with it..i know a ASOG minister young man.. he preaches good...i have been in service with him in a general baptist church you could not tell he was AOG other than mentioning his church he pastored..
My best friend at the time in AOG church was attending asked a friend of His, Independent Baptist to attend, the AOG Pastor was seminary trained, had 3 ghood points and conclusion, the church had no tongue s.prophesy that day, and he remarked was a solid baptist like sermon
 
My best friend at the time in AOG church was attending asked a friend of His, Independent Baptist to attend, the AOG Pastor was seminary trained, had 3 ghood points and conclusion, the church had no tongue s.prophesy that day, and he remarked was a solid baptist like sermon
I've heard people sometimes refer to AoG folks as the Baptists of Pentecostalism.
 
As the "Free Will" versions , as they value higher education and learning for their pastors
possible i hold to free will i am a H.S graduate .education is great but it doesn't make the preacher men like Adrian rogers jay vernon mcgee the list grows. they use the education to help them .. they hold dr degree but it does not go to their head
 
possible i hold to free will i am a H.S graduate .education is great but it doesn't make the preacher men like Adrian rogers jay vernon mcgee the list grows. they use the education to help them .. they hold dr degree but it does not go to their head
The truth though is in many charismatic and Pentecostal circles, its almost looked at as being bad to have seminary/bible college training, as they much prefer the pastor have the "anointing of the Holy Ghost"
 
The truth though is in many charismatic and Pentecostal circles, its almost looked at as being bad to have seminary/bible college training, as they much prefer the pastor have the "anointing of the Holy Ghost"
i dont know a whole lot on the pentecostals/ charismatic and there education field. iam holy ghost school hard knocks . i have been under the old time preaching men. if i had it to do over i would get a better education .. my entire education life i simply hated the test. i see many pastors carry a tablet and a bible to the pulpit . preach from notes.. i cant i get the pages mixed up i make few note reminders part the time i forget about what notes i did make.

i will say what times i watched charles stanley he never used notes .. i dont have to agree with the doctrine to listen to them guys.. i take what i need leave the rest.
 
i dont know a whole lot on the pentecostals/ charismatic and there education field. iam holy ghost school hard knocks . i have been under the old time preaching men. if i had it to do over i would get a better education .. my entire education life i simply hated the test. i see many pastors carry a tablet and a bible to the pulpit . preach from notes.. i cant i get the pages mixed up i make few note reminders part the time i forget about what notes i did make.

i will say what times i watched charles stanley he never used notes .. i dont have to agree with the doctrine to listen to them guys.. i take what i need leave the rest.
Jonathan Edwards, a Congregational pastor in the middle 18th century got up to his pulpit and began to  READ his sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, and by the time he finished reading it, the entire congregation was distressed to the point of tears, and that sermon sparked The First Great Awakening in North America, one of the key historical events in United States history.

I don't think we can prescribe how God chooses to use his servants to spread his message. He may choose preachers without religious education like Dwight Moody or Charles Spurgeon, or He may use men with extensive religious education like Chuck Swindoll or Charles Stanley. We should be careful with our measuring rods and make sure compliance with Scripture is our chief measure.
 
I don't think we can prescribe how God chooses to use his servants to spread his message.
no 2 preachers are alike i have a brother who has been preaching 40 years . we are not alike in our ways . when our mom passed away we done her funeral..i went 1st his time he cried so hard all the way through,, when the service ended the funeral director was so concerned . he came up to my brother asked him if he was ok and needed some time.. see the family already knew how he was.. that was just his way...
he told the funeral director he was fine.. he was just rejoicing . i have seen him jump up and down and shout..

i had a former pastor who used notes done a great job... me i cant read notes and preach it throws me off.. i listen to a wide variety of preachers ,,its a calling
 
The truth though is in many charismatic and Pentecostal circles, its almost looked at as being bad to have seminary/bible college training, as they much prefer the pastor have the "anointing of the Holy Ghost"
Agreed.

All legitimate Pastors are called by God to preach. All legitimate Pastors are then anointed by the Holy Ghost just as all believers are.

The word anointing has caused a whole lot of confusion and misunderstandings. Some people employ it in ways that go beyond scriptural teaching. What is most common in certain Christian areas is the act of pursuing an extra “anointing” in a quest for more power.

However, we should be cautious about the word and not misuse it. Instead, we should turn to Scripture to understand how the anointing pertains to us.

1 John 2:27 is the Scripture most used by those who claim a special anointing.........
“As for you, the anointing you received from Him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as His anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in Him.”

This verse is connected to verse 20, which informs us that we “have an anointing from the Holy One.”

What John assures his readers is that they already possess this anointing—there is no need to seek it.

You see, At the moment of salvation, every Christian receives the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38, Gal, 3:2; Eph. 1:13-14; Romans 8:9).
The Scriptural explanation of the anointing refers to the presence and empowering work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. Wherever the Holy Spirit dwells, the anointing remains.
 
Jonathan Edwards, a Congregational pastor in the middle 18th century got up to his pulpit and began to  READ his sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, and by the time he finished reading it, the entire congregation was distressed to the point of tears, and that sermon sparked The First Great Awakening in North America, one of the key historical events in United States history.

I don't think we can prescribe how God chooses to use his servants to spread his message. He may choose preachers without religious education like Dwight Moody or Charles Spurgeon, or He may use men with extensive religious education like Chuck Swindoll or Charles Stanley. We should be careful with our measuring rods and make sure compliance with Scripture is our chief measure.
IMHO.........a Bible education allows a man to recognize false teachings and false doctrines very quickly.
 
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