Thank you, it makes you wonder why so many so-called Christians latch on to the theory of evolution, perhaps so they look halfway "scientifically erudite".
Bible Chronology.
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Big problem to me is when Christians assume it to be proven true, and try to accommodate it into the Bible text, so end up with some wild theories trying to have that compatible to the scriptures
Yes. Bishop, James Usher.
To get to that number, he used six days meant six real days as we know them now, and that means there is no vast period of millions of years before the appearance of man on the earth on Day 6, as Genesis records. If this is true, then the age of the earth corresponds with human history plus 5 days.
Did he use that part about a day to the Lord is as 1000 years then? i agree with a more younger than older aging, but would not see someone not saved who held to older dates, but would see them as being wrong
That is certainly a problem. It comes as a result of trying to make Scriptures say something that they don't.
They do so because they're not properly grounded in Scripture.
It should be noted that one of the problems with Bishop Usher's calculations was that the Old Testament contains the required information to achieve an accurate chronology only up to Solomon’s time. After that, ambiguities exist and no straightforward data were available.
So what was used was more word of mouth.
Also, as the Bible nowhere tells us anything about the date/time of creation, what Bishop Usher said amounts to his opinion.
Then, when only the genealogic record is used, there is a major problem with this approach. The genealogies throughout the Bible do not include all of the descendants; so much of the needed information is missing. As a result, there are major gaps in the genealogical record. This means that one does not know how many people might actually be missing from the genealogical record and that fact affects the time range. Therefore, one does not know how long these individuals lived nor how many are missing. Consequently, one cannot accurately estimate the date of the creation.
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At least Usher's opinion of 4000 years is much closer to the truth than millions of years.
Neither is correct.
To make that statement in the affirmative would mean we know how old the Earth actually is...We don't
But I believe Ussher is closer to the truth, assuming Adam and Eve fell early on from their state of innocence.
As reflected in our fallen nature, satan, most likely, was impulsive in his attack on the couple and quickly went to work
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Of what practical theological or salvational relevance is establishing God's creation timeclock? How will such knowledge affect one's Christian faith? What is the purpose of establishing the creation date? Is any date specifically supported by Scripture? Did God provide the date for the start of Genesis 1:1?
These actually are legitimate questions which once we answer them, we can stop chasing our tails, and instead of dancing to the scoffers' tune, we can turn their assault into a counterattack.
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I am not so sur of that brother. I do not say that to take sides, only that there are TWO sides to every story.
Bible genealogy says......6,000 to 10,000 years.
The sciences of Geology, astrophysics, Radion carbon dating, Isotopic testing, Isotopic dating, Radiometric dating, Ice sheet layering, all say 4.5 Billion years.
The question then must be........are ALL of those sciences wrong?
Most all Christians can not accept the scientific story because we were never told that in churches we attend.
It actually comes down to this ......is the "days" in Genesis story literal 24 hour days or are they periods of extreme ages.
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1. Of what practical theological or salvational relevance is establishing God's creation timeclock?
NONE!
2. How will such knowledge affect one's Christian faith?
It should not affect at all.
3. What is the purpose of establishing the creation date?
A. It provides an estimate of the age of Earth or the universe.
B. It reveals the divine order and purpose for all things.
C. It helps us understand the systematic and intentional design by God.
D. It links creation to the Crucifixion.
4. Is any date specifically supported by Scripture?
NO.
In fact, there was NO such thing as "dates or Time before Creation. "In the beginning God" ... (Genesis 1:1). The beginning of what? This marks the beginning of time.
5. Did God provide the date for the start of Genesis 1:1?
NO.
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Well, right here is a problem which does not allow for discussion.
When we or anyone goes into a discussion with a "bias" there is always the opportunity for conflict instead of growth.
In this particular topic, we should not come with a ........."but would see them as being wrong".....or "They are not Biblical grounded" and even worse than that......"Those people are not saved".
That kind of thinking is spiritual elitism and Biblically wrong because we read in In Matthew 23:12 , where Jesus states, .....
"For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted."
This verse underscores the importance of humility in the eyes of God.
The Creation of the universe is something we can discuss and talk about, and have opinions on but the fact is we simply do not know.
With respect,
For 3A, why do we need to know this?
For 3B, C, & D, doesn't Scripture do these things without knowing the specific age of creation?
Curious minds want to know???
My goal is not to contradict the existing Biblical scriptures on the subject, but to put constraints on what is and is not biblically allowable.
I never attended Church as a kid, maybe that is where I missed out.
Last I checked "evening and morning" (mentioned 6 times in Gen 1) equals one day
If God misleads on the foundational chapters, how can He be trusted elsewhere?
God never misleads. It is we who misunderstand God. No matter what anything in our sensory perception or our so-called knowledge shows. If our reality contradicts Scripture, then our reality is wrong.
We always end up in trouble when we try to exceed the limits of the revelation God gave us. When Eve said God said she would die if she "touched" the fruit, she caused herself to fall by exceeding the limits of God's revelation.
God never revealed to us the date of creation. People took incomplete material and used HUMAN reason to figure out a creation date. If God would have wanted us to know the date, he would have specifically placed it in his revelation.
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I would think "evening and morning...one day" along with the genealogies are misleading if so-called scientific discoveries of an old earth of millions of years turn out to be true.
But if push comes to shove, I'll take God's Word any day over scientific discoveries, as science is based on observable phenomena (sight) and faith is based on hearing God's Word .
Romans 10:17 (KJV) So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Hebrews 11:3 (KJV) Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV) (For we walk by faith, not by sight
True, God never revealed the date of creation (and neither should we), whereas 'empirical science' does, it even rejects the notion of 'a creation' to begin with.