Old Earth theology does not promote evolution or try to force the Scriptures into any conflict.
Should any Christian Hold to Theistic Evolution then?
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Brother.......what are those sources????
If you will do just a little investigation you will find that Because Marco Polo was not used to seeing some of the non-mythical animals that are native to Asia, he confused what he saw, which included animals such as crocodiles and large snakes, for mythical creatures. Photographic technology had not yet been developed at the time of Marco Polo’s 13th-century travels, and the explorer’s personal accounts were converted into drawings.
Now, the Greeks are the same people who gave us Apollo, and Atlas, and Cronus and Athena. You mean those Greeks.
Actually, large flying lizards disappeared around 65 million years ago. Science and fossil records call them Pterodactyls.
Behemoth and Leviathan are frequently referenced as evidence that the patriarch Job lived alongside such dinosaurs. It is a familiar position.
Having done a lot of work on the book of Job, may I say to you that it is crucial to note the literary progression of Job.
After thirty-plus chapters of rambling human speculations, God answers Job out of the storm. In essence, the Almighty asks Job if he would like to try his hand at running the universe for a while: “Who fathers the drops of dew?” “Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens?” “Do you give the horse his strength?” “Does the eagle soar at your command?”
Consider Behemoth, who “ranks first among the works of God” or the sea dragon—“Can you pull in the leviathan with a fishhook?”
The literary progression moves from creation, to creatures, to the cherub who once ranked first in the order of creation. To Job, the primal monster of the land, like the primal monster of the sea, was indomitable. To Jehovah, Behemoth and Leviathan were mere pets on a divine leash. In the literary progression of the Bible, the monster is vanquished.
Says Isaiah, “Leviathan the gliding serpent, Leviathan the coiling serpent; God will slay the monster of the sea” (27:1).
Finally, in interpreting Scripture in light of Scripture, the literary personification of Satan becomes readily apparent.
In Genesis he is presented as an alluring serpent that tempts humanity to fall into lives of perpetual sin terminated by death.
In Psalms he is portrayed as a multiheaded monster opposing the purposes of God.
In Isaiah he is a coiling serpent emerging out of the primal waters
In Revelation, he is a red dragon that personifies the extremities of evil.
NO ONE has to agree with this however IMHO, the Leviathan and Behemoth are not dinosaurs but personifications that illustrate a metaphysical reality. As such, the mythology of the dragon underscores the reality of the devil.
I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to
the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the
dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and
bound him for a thousand years.
Revelation 20:1–2
I love you and respect you but I can not agree on this comment.
The Hebrew word "YOM" has many meanings and we must be carful to understand what it means. The context of Genesis does not demand "one Day".
I have said it many times now that A scientific conclusion does not amount to a belief. What others would say is that, based on the physical evidence, the earth appears to be about 4.5 billion years old.
This does not eliminate the possibility that God created the earth with an appearance of age because I have NO idea.
The word yom in Genesis 1 does have the common literal meaning day, but I am sure you are aware that the English word day can be taken figuratively. “In our day, things were better.” When we say this, we mean that in our period of time not in any particular 24 hour period. The word day does not mean 24 hours, although it can mean that. The same is true of the word yom in the Hebrew.
It just so happens that Genesis 1 is one of those rare exceptions in which honest, sincere, Bible-believing scholarly people differ as to the meaning, with the interpretation being affected to some extent by the preconceptions of those who study the passage.
Whether Creation is 6000 years old or 10 Trillion years old....when you get to the beginning, God will be waiting on you and asking......
What took you so long?
There have been many sightings from historical times to even current times regarding living creatures that evolutionists assumed had all died off long time ago
It should be understood that YECs and OECs both agree that Adam’s creation occurred thousands of years ago, not millions, and both reject Darwinian common descent. However, they differ significantly on the interpretation of the days of creation and the age of the earth itself.
I am not sure that we all understand that here.
Neither view has anything to do with how we believe who Jesus is and what He did to pay for us to be able to say that we are saved from the coming judgment.
I have tried to explain that I am not taking sides here but trying to define what each side brings to the table.
Both YECs and OECs seek to harmonize Scripture with scientific discoveries, though they approach this task differently.
YECs often interpret scientific data in a way that aligns with a young earth. For example, they may attribute the fossil record to the global flood described in Genesis 6-9. Genesis 7:19-20 describes the extent of the flood:.....
"And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered."
OECs, however, interpret the same scientific data to support an old earth. They may view the fossil record as evidence of God’s creative acts over long periods of time. Job 12:7-10 reflects on God’s creation:........
"But ask the beasts, and they will teach you; the birds of the heavens, and they will tell you; or the bushes of the earth, and they will teach you; and the fish of the sea will declare to you. Who among all these does not know that the hand of Jehovah has done this? In his hand is the life of every living thing and the breath of all mankind."
Marco Polo Meets Dinosaurs
Venetian merchant Marco Polo documented his 13th century travels to Asia in “The Travels of Marco Polo.” Here is Polo’s account of ferocious beasts he saw in southwest China.
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While the Greeks didn't use the term "pterosaurs", they did have accounts of flying creatures that some speculate might have been inspired by observations of real animals, including those that might be considered "flying lizards".
The Greek historian Herodotus, for example, described winged snakes in Arabia and Egypt. While these accounts could be referring to actual gliding snakes found in some parts of the world today, or possibly even large flying insects like locusts, it's also possible that these narratives were influenced by stories or sightings of animals with characteristics resembling flying reptiles, possibly even pterosaurs, though this is debated among scholars.
It is important to note that the word "pterosaur" itself is Greek, meaning "winged lizard". Although pterosaurs lived alongside dinosaurs, they were a distinct group of flying reptiles.
n the field of cryptozoology, the term "living dinosaurs" refers to purported creatures, often described as resembling dinosaurs, that are believed by some to exist in remote regions despite lacking scientific evidence. The most prominent example is Mokele-mbembe, a creature said to inhabit the Congo Basin.
Would see the Young earth creationism as the preferred view, or even this view, but not the Theitic evolution view
Progressive creationism is a view held by some Christians that reconciles the biblical account of creation with modern scientific understanding, particularly the age of the Earth and the appearance of different life forms. It suggests that God created life in stages over millions of years, rather than in a single week as described in Genesis. This view is a form of Old Earth creationism that accepts mainstream scientific findings about the age of the universe and Earth.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Acceptance of an Old Earth:
Progressive creationists generally accept the scientific consensus that the universe is billions of years old and that the Earth is also very old, rather than the young Earth view held by some other creationists.
- God's Creation Over Time:
They believe that God created different kinds of life over long periods, with new species appearing in bursts, separated by periods of relative stability.
- Rejection of Macroevolution:
While they may accept microevolution (small changes within a species), they generally reject the idea that one species can evolve into a completely different species over time.
- Divine Intervention:
Progressive creationists believe that God intervened in the process of creation, adding new life forms at certain points, rather than relying solely on natural processes like evolution.
- Genesis Interpretation:
They often interpret the "days" of creation in Genesis as long, undefined periods rather than literal 24-hour days.
- Reconciling Science and Scripture:
The core idea is to find a way to harmonize the biblical narrative with scientific evidence, acknowledging both as valid sources of truth.
- God's Creation Over Time:
Don't forget, the entire world has legends of dragons -- large, winged serpents. I find that quite curious.
And there have been modern day reports of seeing very large lizards up to 30 ft long
What historical records and which historians did you consult to come up with that information? Primary sources are preferable, but credible secondary sources accompanied with footnotes and complete bibliographies would be acceptable. Quite frankly, these claims stretch the bounds of credibility, and are quite suspect in the absence of sources that can be independently consulted.
There have also been modern reports of bigfoot, UFOs, space alien encounters, and the Loch Ness monster. I cannot, without documented evidence, give your claim here any more credence than those I just mentioned.
According to cryptozoological accounts, there were sightings and evidence of a giant lizard in Australia in 1979. This creature is often associated with the Megalania, an extinct giant monitor lizard that inhabited Australia during the Pleistocene era.
Here's a breakdown of the 1979 reports:
- Giant footprints: In July 1979, cryptozoologist Rex Gilroy was informed of the discovery of large lizard footprints in a recently plowed field. Although rain had damaged most of the tracks, Gilroy was able to make a plaster cast of one that was preserved, according to Fandom.
- Herpetologist's sighting: That same year, a herpetologist named Frank Gordon reported seeing what he initially thought was a log in the road after conducting field work in the Wattagan Mountains in New South Wales. However, when the "log" quickly moved away, he realized it was a lizard estimated to be around 30 feet long, notes the Cryptid Wiki.
Would separate out those subjects, as to me Ufo/aliens are demonic activities, loch ness maybe giant eels/seals/sturgeon, while bigfoot to me if real would be large Primate creature
God could have said evenings and mornings to appease the old earthers.
Obviously, we have made our stances quite clear to each other, and from here we would just have to agree to disagree agreeably. Have a great day.
I know. I grew up in Tacoma.
lol, I thought it was Sasquatch, or is Squatch local slang? I lived in Wenatchee (if that counts)
Wiki and Fandom are not reliable sources because they generally consist of pooled ignorance. More credible sources are needed than cryptozoologists, who are at best pseudoscientists like parapsychologists, and at worst, they're charlatans. I don't give such pseudosciences any more credibility than I do the UFO shows on the history channel. Therefore, with respect, I can only consider your evidence as fabrications by nut cases which have taken you in with their fantastic imaginations.
I get all my info from WhyFiles. ;-)
Nevertheless, unless internet information comes from a university or government website, it cannot be trusted. Anyone can post anything on the internet. That information from the cryptozoologist cranks is one example.