Do you hold to either a Full or Limited Inspiration viw on the Bible?
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I believe in the verbal, plenary inspiration and inerrancy of the Bible.
And from misunderstanding that the Church at large, until the KJVO movement hit, as always held that the originals only were inspired and inerrant, as all translations had some error in them , some much more than others
in regards to the originals, but not to any translation
I believe the Bible says exactly what it needs to say to save.
God said what He wanted to say and He does not studder.
Any misunderstandings such as history or geography always comes down to a lacl of in depth Bible study.
or not understanding that there are known issues in especially OT data regarding ages and numbers
That may or not be the case.
Give me an example of what you are referring to and we can study it together.
Per GotQuestions web site
2) The Bible’s accuracy in numbers is related to a proper translation of the text. We’ll take the census numbers in Numbers 1 as an example (noting that the same can be applied to the census of Numbers 26):
In Numbers 1:21, the men of fighting age in Reuben’s tribe are “six and forty thousand and five hundred” (Young’s Literal Translation), rendered as “46,500” in almost every other translation. However, two words in this phrase are subject to variations. The Hebrew term translated “thousand” is used elsewhere in Scripture as a general reference to groups, not as a specific number. For example, the word is applied to tribes (Numbers 10:4), clans (Joshua 22:14), families (Joshua 22:21), and divisions (Numbers 1:16).
Further, the word translated “and” can also mean “or,” depending on the context. Exodus 21:15 and Exodus 21:17, for instance, use this word in a context in which it obviously means “or.”
So, if the word for “thousands” is a reference to family groups, and the second instance of the word for “and” is understood to mean “or,” then Numbers 1:21 would be translated “six and forty clans, or five hundred.” The tribe of Reuben, then, would have had 500 fighting men from 46 family groups.
3) Belief in the Bible’s accuracy in numbers allows for the possibility of scribal error. Numbers 1:46 gives the final tally of the troops from all the tribes of Israel: “The total number was 603,550.” That number, implying a total population of 2.4 million, is debated. But, if we assume a scribal error in the copying of this verse, the total military count would be “598 families with 5,550 men.” This number would be in keeping with the lower census numbers: the total population of Israelites would be about 22,200.
Such a typographical error is entirely plausible. While the Hebrew language itself represents numbers using words, ancient people often used a type of shorthand, employing lines or dots similar to modern-day tally marks. Such marks would have been relatively easy to misread, and most potential scribal errors in Old Testament manuscripts involve exactly that type of discrepancy (2 Samuel 10:18; 1 Chronicles 19:18; 1 Kings 4:26; 2 Kings 24:8; 2 Chronicles 9:25; 36:9).
I agree.
Of course the bottom line problem is the need or challenge to convince those who need to be saved, that they need to be saved.
In all of my years of soul winning, and witnessing, by and large the #1 reason given when a person is asked if they would like to accept Jesus and be forgiven of their sins is.........."WHY? I have never harmed anyone or killed anyone! I am basically a good person!"
You see, Satan has convinced the world that "FAIRNESS" is the basis of acceptability to God.
In other words....."IF, again, IF there is a God, then surely He hill weight our good deeds against our bad deeds and since my good deeds outweigh my BAD one, I am OK".
Right now, there's likely a person sitting in front of their computer reading this, being before God asking Him to judge them according to their deeds. They believe that if He puts their bad deeds besides the good ones, God will see that the good outweighs the bad. The problem with the moral man is he assumed that his good deeds would be weighed against the bad or compared against others' deeds, but that's not the case. God takes the best works of the moral woman or man and compares them to Jesus' deeds. Jesus gave sight to the blind, healed the sick and raised the lame. He took on the world's sins and was sacrificed to bring salvation to those who accept Him as their Lord and Savior. Instead of asking to be judged, a person in their right mind should ask for mercy.
It then becomes our "work/challenge" to explain or convince them that what the media or the world has instilled in them is THE LIE!
We must explain to them that "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one" (Romans 3:10).
"ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God" (Romans 3:23).
Living about 30 miles from Disney World in Orlando, I have used going there as an example of going to heaven.
When anyone going to Disney you can ONLY enter the premises if you have a ticket. NO ticket and you can not enter in.
That is exactly what heaven is like. You must have a ticket!!! That ticket is the person of the Lord Jesus Christ! HE bought and paid for our entrance to His heaven. If you do not have Jesus you do not have a ticket to enter.!!!!!!!
Now.........NO ONE has the authority to send anyone to the Lake of Fire. That should not even be a conversation.
However, we know exactly what the Word of God says and that is if a person does not accept the Lord Jesus Christ for the payment of their sins, they will speand eternity in the Lake of Fire.
People who die without a Savior have their names removed from the Book of Life and face behavior evaluation. Our behaviors are recorded in the Book of Works. Imagine a line of people waiting for their opportunity to speak to Jesus, organizing their spiels to show Him why they should get into heaven. God will show them why they're not good enough in the Book of Works. Afterward, He'll open the Book of Life and discover their names aren't there.
Sadly, they'll be thrown into the Lake of Fire and assigned to hell forever.
As the Holy Spirit Himself testified to us, that the light came into the world, and those who rejected Him did so as they loved the darkness more than the light
God sees into your heart and soul. He knows your thoughts better than you. If you have even entertained temptation, He knows. If you lie to God about being a good person, He knows. When confronted with God, all one can do is beg forgiveness.
To those who have felt God's presence, these words make sense. To those who haven't, they make no sense.