Yes, He could have. He could prevent car accidents; but where are we really going with this narrative?
Physical Ailments vs Martyrdom/Torture?
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Yes when A&E sinned, God could have picked up His marbles and gone home He didn't have to die for us (hypothetically), but He did.
Everything that happened was pre-ordained before the universe was created.
absolutely he could have but didn't...just like with Job there is some things we just will never know why
Do you ever wonder what would be if God had prevented satan from entering the Garden, there would not be any tears, suffering, death etc. But He did allow satan to tempt A&E,, I suppose, for a better purpose.
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Good morning, crossnote;
I'm up early and while reading your thread, I had this thought and was equating Satan and his demons to:
Hitler's annihilation of the Jews and other millions of people during World War II,
Pol Pot's genocide of 1 to 2 million Cambodians in 1975 until Vietnam invaded Cambodia and overthrew his government.
Imagine the believers in both these countries reading Genesis and Bible with the hope of God's promises, one day becoming the victims of Physical Ailments vs Martyrdom/Torture?
When a family is walking in obedience to the Lord and their little child is deathfully ill, it doesn't matter the will of a ruthless leader, only that their child is suffering, because God allowed it?!?
Why did God give freewill to the thief or murderers is the same question He gave you and me freewill for the heinous sins we all have commited. Perhaps not as extreme as Hitler and Pol Pot but the same freewill, nevertheless.
One day God will make all this clear to us who are His believing children.
Psalm 91 give us His divine promises, not complete safety from suffering, and Matthew 4 gives us the ultimate example of Jesus being tempted by Satan. In both chapters there is a reference to each other.
God bless you, crossnote. Your thread gives us much to think about.
Bob
The end result for us as the reeded will be better than was for Adam and Eve before their Fall, as we will have physical glorified bodies and eternally be with the blessed trinity
I'm under the conviction that the only ones who had free will were Adam and Eve before the Fall. They used their free will, and the rest is history.
Ephesians 2:1-3 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins [2] in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience- [3] among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Not even Jesus had free will seeing that he was bound to His Father's will to accomplish redemption for us whose wills run free apart from the grace of God.
I believe as bac Christians, our wills have been set free to serve Him. apart from perfection.
yes i do my only thought was a testing of their faith . they had the instructions what to leave alone.. just like achan in joshua 7 the accursed thing.. what did he need with Babylon vest and gold bars out in the middle of no where..
the ? is what did we need with when we did the accursed thing ? we have a big book full of instructions ..but do we always listen ? no we dont
my question to that would be why did Paul write romans 12:-1-2 or
Romans 6:16-22
16;Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?17;But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18;Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19;I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20;For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21;What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22;But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
certainly we have been set free romans 8:2 ..
Romans 7:24
O wretched man that I am! Who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Hello crossnote;
Free will went beyond Adam and Eve and exists today "speaking as Christians."
In Matthew 26:53-54, 53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?” - NIV
Jesus had free will but gave the perfect example of being obedient to the will of our Father.
When you and I became a Christian we had a choice on that day who we would serve. It was not forced upon us.
God bless you, brother.
Bob
I'd be of the conviction that the Father drew me to Christ, true once regenerated our desires change.
John 6:44 ESV
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Which passage are you referring to? In both cases, Paul is referring to BAChristians
We have limited free will remaining, as being sinners by nature and by choices, we can only choose to accept or reject what our sin nature desires, and some things we will never desire if left alone by ourselves, such as now getting saved
The Holy Spirit regenerated we who are saved unto salvation, as he enables us to now turn to Jesus and accept His offer of Salvation and eternal life