Physical Ailments vs Martyrdom/Torture?

i hope this shows i dont need info on adam and eve

1 Corinthians 15:45-47
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45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

46;Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

47 ;The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.
 
YeshuaFan said:
Adam faid his testing before god, and all of us are in Him, so got same judgement, while Jesus "passed", and all of us now in Him have received justification
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Correct.

I actually do not understand how some can not grasp that doctrinal teaching. WHY DO WE SUFFER PHYSICAL ALIMENTS?

No matter how we divide it, Genesis 3:16-19 tells us exactly why we SUFFER in pain.
This passage shows that suffering entered the human experience as a direct result of sin’s corrupting influence on the world and the human condition because of mans rebellion.

I am afraid that some people fall into the 60% ( a personal guess) of believers who think...........
"everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God,” and “everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature.”

That is exactly opposite of what God says. God says "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".(Rom. 3:23)
The Bible asserts not only that we sin a lot but that we’re sinful by nature and our nature came from our grandfather Adam!

The standard of approval for God is the Lord Jesus Christ and NO ONE comes close to that standard because we are ALL from the seed of Adam and we suffer the consequences of his rebellion to the Word of God.

In this fallen state of spiritual death, all people are unable and unwilling to do what’s truly good, unless God sovereignly regenerates them, making them “alive together with Christ” (Eph. 2:5).

Again...I do not know why this is so hard for anyone to understand this, but the truth is that ......
“We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we’re sinners” by nature and that Bible fact results in pain and suffering.
 
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Major said:
Correct.

I actually do not understand how some can not grasp that doctrinal teaching. WHY DO WE SUFFER PHYSICAL ALIMENTS?

No matter how we divide it, Genesis 3:16-19 tells us exactly why we SUFFER in pain.
This passage shows that suffering entered the human experience as a direct result of sin’s corrupting influence on the world and the human condition because of mans rebellion.

I am afraid that some people fall into the 60% ( a personal guess) of believers who think...........
"everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God,” and “everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature.”

That is exactly opposite of what God says. God says "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".(Rom. 3:23)
The Bible asserts not only that we sin a lot but that we’re sinful by nature and our nature came from our grandfather Adam!

The standard of approval for God is the Lord Jesus Christ and NO ONE comes close to that standard because we are ALL from the seed of Adam and we suffer the consequences of his rebellion to the Word of God.

In this fallen state of spiritual death, all people are unable and unwilling to do what’s truly good, unless God sovereignly regenerates them, making them “alive together with Christ” (Eph. 2:5).

Again...I do not know why this is so hard for anyone to understand this, but the truth is that ......
“We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we’re sinners” by nature and that Bible fact results in pain and suffering.
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many fail to link us to Original Sin, as they would see it as not fair, and yet the reason why we are now saved due to now being in Christ, receiving His grave and righteousness now for salvation sake
 
Major said:
Correct.

I actually do not understand how some can not grasp that doctrinal teaching. WHY DO WE SUFFER PHYSICAL ALIMENTS?

No matter how we divide it, Genesis 3:16-19 tells us exactly why we SUFFER in pain.
This passage shows that suffering entered the human experience as a direct result of sin’s corrupting influence on the world and the human condition because of mans rebellion.

I am afraid that some people fall into the 60% ( a personal guess) of believers who think...........
"everyone is born innocent in the eyes of God,” and “everyone sins a little, but most people are good by nature.”

That is exactly opposite of what God says. God says "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".(Rom. 3:23)
The Bible asserts not only that we sin a lot but that we’re sinful by nature and our nature came from our grandfather Adam!

The standard of approval for God is the Lord Jesus Christ and NO ONE comes close to that standard because we are ALL from the seed of Adam and we suffer the consequences of his rebellion to the Word of God.

In this fallen state of spiritual death, all people are unable and unwilling to do what’s truly good, unless God sovereignly regenerates them, making them “alive together with Christ” (Eph. 2:5).

Again...I do not know why this is so hard for anyone to understand this, but the truth is that ......
“We are not sinners because we sin; we sin because we’re sinners” by nature and that Bible fact results in pain and suffering.
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That would be due to the really bad theology of Charles finney creeping back into many churches in regards to salvation
 
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